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agourlay said...
This.
Not sure why everyone hear's a 1RM and decides clearly he can rep 50x due to this fact.
Like here, why don't you train heavy for 8 weeks, like 2 (reps) x 10 (sets) ... Now jump right into crossfit. Lemme know how it goes LMFAO, should translate easily no ?IBELIEVE85
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agourlay said...
This.
Not sure why everyone hear's a 1RM and decides clearly he can rep 50x due to this fact. Like here, why don't you train heavy for 8 weeks, like 2 (reps) x 10 (sets) ... Now jump right into crossfit. Lemme know how it goes LMFAO, should translate easily no ?
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Owen1611 said...
30 reps is still an elite number for the bench press. Expectations for our guys always seem to get overhyped—there's nothing to be ashamed about 30 reps. That's good!
Trent Richardson did 25 reps on the bench press and people also felt disappointed. 25 reps for a running back is very good, though.
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IBELIEVE85 said...
Because the staff said that at Bama's pro day lastyear Jesse broke the combine bench record, and that is why everyone on here expected he would break the bench record. Not like everyone on here just expected that he would do 52 reps because of his max, but everyone did expect it because we have been told that he has broken it before, plus it has been hyped up for a long time. FYI football is an endurance sport and workouts are alternated between strength/mass/endurance. What good is strength without endurance, and what good endurance without strength, being one of the best football players in the country you need both.
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agourlay said...
No doubt, especially coming from your power lifting background haha. It's good to get a variety i find. I'll do 3 days, typical body part splits, then 2 days of sprinting, athletic drills, then two days of circuit type work. Just spices it up after years of doing the same thing.
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agourlay said...
Yeah but by endurance they're talking about doing 4x100m sprints or what not, overall cardiovascular endurance. Not massive drop sets on bench press. I don't think they are busting out FST-7 or any other body building techniques that tend to be used when hypertrophy is the goal. A circuit, I could understand, when you lift fairly heavy, then move on right to the next exercise, but that's a totally different story.
The biggest issue with high rep bench is the triceps, especially since they need to lock out
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IBELIEVE85 said...
Yeah, because Cochran uses such a generic training program, and sticks with 4x10 for everything! I know for a fact that Cochran uses some pretty crazy rep ranges, like GVT with 15 second intervals between sets, that's worse than FST-7, and also pretty sure that would qualify for muscular endurance as opposed to cardio. Cochran is one of the best in world, his routines are anything but ordinary.
The reason Jesse could break the record lastyear and not come close this year, is because lastyear when the season was over he was right back in the weight room training, this year he has taken a big break since the season ended, fresh off of surgery, and his endurance is way down. Has nothing to do with the training program he's doing, but everything to do with the training program he isn't doing.
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IBELIEVE85 said...
Yeah, because Cochran uses such a generic training program, and sticks with 4x10 for everything! I know for a fact that Cochran uses some pretty crazy rep ranges, like GVT with 15 second intervals between sets, that's worse than FST-7, and also pretty sure that would qualify for muscular endurance as opposed to cardio. Cochran is one of the best in world, his routines are anything but ordinary.
The reason Jesse could break the record lastyear and not come close this year, is because lastyear when the season was over he was right back in the weight room training, this year he has taken a big break since the season ended, fresh off of surgery, and his endurance is way down. Has nothing to do with the training program he's doing, but everything to do with the training program he isn't doing.
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agourlay said...
This.
Not sure why everyone hear's a 1RM and decides clearly he can rep 50x due to this fact. Like here, why don't you train heavy for 8 weeks, like 2 (reps) x 10 (sets) ... Now jump right into crossfit. Lemme know how it goes LMFAO, should translate easily no ?
This post was edited by rrobertson on 2/25/2013 at 6:39 AM
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rrobertson said...
True, but maybe you answered your own question. Maybe he needs to be doing a combination of both. I do CrossFit 5 days a week and lift 4 after I'm done. You can have both, but the muscles have to be trained/conditioned to do so. I know you know all this....
And let me add that I'm not questioning Cochran's methods. He certainly know much more than me....
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*** Jesse Williams did 30 bench reps