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*** Updated SEC basketball standings

  • Through Thursday's games

    SEC Standings
    Team, conference, overall
    Florida 14-3, 24-5
    Missouri 11-6, 22-8
    Ole Miss 11-6, 22-8
    Kentucky 11-6, 20-10
    Alabama 11-6, 19-11
    Tennessee 10-7, 18-11
    LSU 9-8, 18-10
    Arkansas 9-8, 18-12
    Georgia 9-8, 15-15
    Texas A&M 7-10, 17-13
    Vanderbilt 7-10, 13-16
    South Carolina 4-13, 14-16
    Auburn 3-14, 9-21
    Mississippi State 3-14, 8-21

    Saturday's games
    Florida at Kentucky, 11 a.m., CBS
    Ole Miss at LSU, 12:30 p.m., SEC Network
    South Carolina at Vanderbilt, 12:30 p.m., SEC Network
    Texas A&M at Arkansas, 1 p.m., ESPNU
    Missouri at Tennessee, 3 p.m., ESPN/2
    Georgia at Alabama, 3 p.m., SEC Network
    Auburn at Mississippi State, 4:30 p.m., FFSN

    The Crimson Tide will have a pretty good feel for its chances of securing a top-four spot in the SEC Tournament before it takes the floor against Georgia.

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  • basically if we win we are in, right? even if the 4 way tie for second lasts, we have the tie break over kentucky

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    rolBAMAballs

  • Would be nice if all those teams lost and we won tomorrow.

    jebtide02

  • rolBAMAballs said...

    basically if we win we are in, right? even if the 4 way tie for second lasts, we have the tie break over kentucky

    I don't think so. The issue is that in a 4-way tie, although we beat Kentucky, I believe it goes to head to head between all 4 in the tie.

    Kentucky is 2-1 (beating Mizzou and Ole Miss)
    Mizzou is 2-2 (beating Ole Miss and Alabama)
    Ole Miss is 2-2 (beating Alabama and Mizzou)
    Alabama is 1-2 (beating Kentucky)

    Note: Ole Miss and Mizzou split.

    I believe that is how the tie breaker works, so we need win along with one of the teams above us losing. All 3 of them are in very losable games, so I would assume more than likely, it will be a win and we will be anywhere from a 2-4 seed, but if all 3 of them win, we are at best a 5 seed.

    Depending on how you look at it, I am not sure it matters that much. I still think 1 of 2 things need to happen for us to give ourselves a chance to make the field of 68. We have to win 2 game in the SEC tournament.......or make the finals on Sunday. 2 wins would put us in the finals from one of the top 4 seeds, which would be the best of both worlds.

    I like the idea of the committee having Alabama on their mind if we are in the finals, thinking there is a chance they have to put us in. Can't hurt, IMO.

    Either way, a team like us, or even any of the other bubble teams this year may show that the field was just fine at 64. No one has really come off the bubble in weeks (win or lose) because there aren't any teams below them doing any better. We've lost 3 "must win or you're out" games already and still sit in the first 4 or last 4 out in most of the scenarios. With so many crumbling, we really have a shot if we can go on a 3 game (counting UGA) winning streak.....and we would be favored probably to win those first 2 games.

    This post was edited by BetterOff on 3/8/2013 at 7:32 AM

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  • It's my understanding that if we win as well as UK, OM, and MIZZ that we will finish 5th. I read an article detailing each scenario.. Will try to post. That scenario is the most unlikely. UK has Florida, OM travels to LSU and MIZZOU travels to Tenn. All we really need is one of them to lose while we beat UGA. However, I'd like to see all or two of them lose, so we get the 2 or 3 seed and avoid MIZZOU and Florida until championship.

    zrossua

  • I'm assuming only Ole Miss and Mizzou lose. I think Kentucky beats Florida at home.

    That scenario would have us #2 due to tie break with Kentucky.

    scottchap

  • BetterOff said...

    I don't think so. The issue is that in a 4-way tie, although we beat Kentucky, I believe it goes to head to head between all 4 in the tie.

    Kentucky is 2-1 (beating Mizzou and Ole Miss) Mizzou is 2-2 (beating Ole Miss and Alabama) Ole Miss is 2-2 (beating Alabama and Mizzou) Alabama is 1-2 (beating Kentucky)

    Note: Ole Miss and Mizzou split.

    I believe that is how the tie breaker works, so we need win along with one of the teams above us losing. All 3 of them are in very losable games, so I would assume more than likely, it will be a win and we will be anywhere from a 2-4 seed, but if all 3 of them win, we are at best a 5 seed.

    Depending on how you look at it, I am not sure it matters that much. I still think 1 of 2 things need to happen for us to give ourselves a chance to make the field of 68. We have to win 2 game in the SEC tournament.......or make the finals on Sunday. 2 wins would put us in the finals from one of the top 4 seeds, which would be the best of both worlds.

    I like the idea of the committee having Alabama on their mind if we are in the finals, thinking there is a chance they have to put us in. Can't hurt, IMO.

    Either way, a team like us, or even any of the other bubble teams this year may show that the field was just fine at 64. No one has really come off the bubble in weeks (win or lose) because there aren't any teams below them doing any better. We've lost 3 "must win or you're out" games already and still sit in the first 4 or last 4 out in most of the scenarios. With so many crumbling, we really have a shot if we can go on a 3 game (counting UGA) winning streak.....and we would be favored probably to win those first 2 games.

    oh ok...didnt know that..

    like i posted in another thread, we need some top 50 wins, so we either have to win the whole tournament or at least beat florida, so its all a wash at this point anyway.

    getting booted to a 5 or 6 seed may be a blessing, giving us more games to play and win

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  • BetterOff said...

    I don't think so. The issue is that in a 4-way tie, although we beat Kentucky, I believe it goes to head to head between all 4 in the tie.

    Kentucky is 2-1 (beating Mizzou and Ole Miss) Mizzou is 2-2 (beating Ole Miss and Alabama) Ole Miss is 2-2 (beating Alabama and Mizzou) Alabama is 1-2 (beating Kentucky)

    Note: Ole Miss and Mizzou split.

    I believe that is how the tie breaker works, so we need win along with one of the teams above us losing.

    Yes and no. Yes - we'd lose the 4-way tie, but we don't necessarily have to have to win to secure a double-bye if I'm reading it correctly.

    If OM and Mizzou win, and UA and UK lose, UF/OM/Mizzou would be top 3, and Bama/UK would be tied for 4th with us winning the head to head. That's if Bama and UK both lose and the other two win.

    In fact, unless one of OM/Mizzou loses, it's probably in our best interest for us to lose and hope UK loses to UF. That way we avoid anything more than a two-way tie. We wouldn't win any three or four team tiebreaks no matter who is involved. If all 4 teams win it's "technically" worse for us.

    Of course, if we lose our NCAA at-large chances go bye-bye completely, so pick your poison. Best thing would be for us to win and hope we get help somewhere else, which is entirely likely. I have a hard time seeing OM/Mizz win on the road and UK beating UF all in one day.

    This post was edited by NashTide on 3/8/2013 at 9:11 AM

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  • NashTide said...

    Yes and no. Yes - we'd lose the 4-way tie, but we don't necessarily have to have to win to secure a double-bye if I'm reading it correctly.

    If OM and Mizzou win, and UA and UK lose, UF/OM/Mizzou would be top 3, and Bama/UK would be tied for 4th with us winning the head to head. That's if Bama and UK both lose and the other two win.

    In fact, unless one of OM/Mizzou loses, it's probably in our best interest for us to lose and hope UK loses to UF. That way we avoid anything more than a two-way tie. We wouldn't win any three or four team tiebreaks no matter who is involved. If all 4 teams win it's "technically" worse for us.

    Of course, if we lose our NCAA at-large chances go bye-bye completely, so pick your poison. Best thing would be for us to win and hope we get help somewhere else, which is entirely likely. I have a hard time seeing OM/Mizz win on the road and UK beating UF all in one day.

    I was disregarding any scenario that had us losing to UGA. If that happens, nothing other than a win next Sunday would help us.

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  • NashTide said...

    Yes and no. Yes - we'd lose the 4-way tie, but we don't necessarily have to have to win to secure a double-bye if I'm reading it correctly.

    If OM and Mizzou win, and UA and UK lose, UF/OM/Mizzou would be top 3, and Bama/UK would be tied for 4th with us winning the head to head. That's if Bama and UK both lose and the other two win.

    In fact, unless one of OM/Mizzou loses, it's probably in our best interest for us to lose and hope UK loses to UF. That way we avoid anything more than a two-way tie. We wouldn't win any three or four team tiebreaks no matter who is involved. If all 4 teams win it's "technically" worse for us.

    Of course, if we lose our NCAA at-large chances go bye-bye completely, so pick your poison. Best thing would be for us to win and hope we get help somewhere else, which is entirely likely. I have a hard time seeing OM/Mizz win on the road and UK beating UF all in one day.

    good points. it all comes down to winning the tourney IMO. best chance of that is getting a double bye, but who am i kidding? shrug

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  • BetterOff said...

    I was disregarding any scenario that had us losing to UGA. If that happens, nothing other than a win next Sunday would help us.

    Right - my point is that for us to win next Sunday, we need to be in the most favorable position to get there.

    Earning a double-bye is the path of least resistance. I don't see this team winning 4 times in 4 days, so being off until Friday is imperative. Then it's about matchups, and no one can forecast how the bracket will shake down with so many teams potentially jumping one another tomorrow.

    Beating UGA tomorrow won't necessarily get us in the tournament. Winning 3 games next weekend with a double-bye would.

    So if OM and Mizzou both win tomorrow, our best shot at positioning ourselves well is to wind up in a tie for 4th with UK. The drawback there, of course, is that it puts us on Florida's side of the bracket.

    Ideally, we win tomorrow, OM and Mizzou both lose, and we're locked in at #2 regardless. But that seems like a longshot to me.

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  • NashTide said...

    Right - my point is that for us to win next Sunday, we need to be in the most favorable position to get there.

    Earning a double-bye is the path of least resistance. I don't see this team winning 4 times in 4 days, so being off until Friday is imperative. Then it's about matchups, and no one can forecast how the bracket will shake down with so many teams potentially jumping one another tomorrow.

    Beating UGA tomorrow won't necessarily get us in the tournament. Winning 3 games next weekend with a double-bye would.

    So if OM and Mizzou both win tomorrow, our best shot at positioning ourselves well is to wind up in a tie for 4th with UK. The drawback there, of course, is that it puts us on Florida's side of the bracket.

    Ideally, we win tomorrow, OM and Mizzou both lose, and we're locked in at #2 regardless. But that seems like a longshot to me.

    Which part seems like the longshot? Them losing or us winning? biggrin

    Seriously though, we don't seem to catch any breaks with the timing of our schedule. Tennessee is awful and then we catch them at the beginning of a great run they put together in the middle of the conference schedule. We beat Kentucky, but did catch them just as Nerlins was getting things together and before he got hurt. Florida limps through a few weeks with injury problems, only to see just about everyone get healthy in time for our game........And now, we are getting a UGA team that is starting to look like they have things going pretty well coming off 2 big wins for them. I guess you can add that we caught LSU at their place just as O'Bryant really began to take over and maybe show that he could be the best player in the league going forward.

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    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    Which part seems like the longshot? Them losing or us winning?

    Seriously though, we don't seem to catch any breaks with the timing of our schedule. Tennessee is awful and then we catch them at the beginning of a great run they put together in the middle of the conference schedule. We beat Kentucky, but did catch them just as Nerlins was getting things together and before he got hurt. Florida limps through a few weeks with injury problems, only to see just about everyone get healthy in time for our game........And now, we are getting a UGA team that is starting to look like they have things going pretty well coming off 2 big wins for them. I guess you can add that we caught LSU at their place just as O'Bryant really began to take over and maybe show that he could be the best player in the league going forward.

    this is alabama basketball

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  • BetterOff said...

    Which part seems like the longshot? Them losing or us winning? biggrin

    UGA has been playing well of late, so I actually think we'll have to play an amazing game to win tomorrow. Of course, "amazing" for us is a completely relative term. But UGA controlled their home games vs UK and UT, and had Ole Miss dead to rights in Oxford a few weeks ago. It won't be easy.

    I would not be surprised to see Mizzou beat UT, but I think that's our best chance in the OM/Mizzou scenario to get help. UT will come out blazing at home.

    I have no idea how to handicap Florida/Kentucky. UK is coming off a short turnaround while UF has been on cruise control for days. It would be "Senior Day" at Rupp, but I'm not certain UK actually ever has seniors anymore. Maybe they can rename it "players who are currently shaving" day. Calipari has this weird way of mindf***ing his players and Florida may feel like they have nothing to play for. They're almost assured a 2 or 3 seed, and they've locked up the conference tittle and overall #1 SEC seed. I can't imagine Donovan sandbagging, but who knows.

    Ole Miss is a complete mystery.

    I'd say my order of most to least likely would be:
    Most likely: UT beats Mizzou
    Florida beats UK
    Bama beats UGA
    Least likely: LSU beats OM (only because I could see that game going in any number of directions)

    But you could flip those 1-4 and it wouldn't sound crazy. Tomorrow should be fun. I'm glad we have an afternoon game and not an early one. I should know by 3 how nervous I need to be. If Florida handles their business at 11 it should take some pressure off.

    This post was edited by NashTide on 3/8/2013 at 10:00 AM

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  • I know it's a long way in the future and we have a lot to take care of before this happens, but you have to think that Florida wouldn't be pushing it too much in a game that would be their 3rd in a row if we were to face them in the finals.

    A Florida team with a 2 or 3 seed locked up may not be looking to prove anything in the SEC tournament, whereas Bama, UT, Ole Miss, and Kentucky need the SEC tournament (or to at least win some games) or there may not be any NCAA tourney.

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  • Palm has us 4th team out.

    Make it to Sunday and we're in by the skin of our teeth. If we don't its over.

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    Theta

  • Thanks, Chris. I was wondering earlier what things looked like right now. What a jumbled mess and things could go several different directions tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the teams slotted 2-5 win or lose. Man, we really need that double bye and it would be big if we could avoid that 4 spot as to miss UF until the finals (completely hypothetical, of course).

    HADOUKEN

  • I just want to get that double bye. A 2 or 3 would be ideal, but I just want enjoy my Thursday evening in Nashville without sweating out a Bama game.

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  • NashTide said...

    Right - my point is that for us to win next Sunday, we need to be in the most favorable position to get there.

    Earning a double-bye is the path of least resistance. I don't see this team winning 4 times in 4 days, so being off until Friday is imperative. Then it's about matchups, and no one can forecast how the bracket will shake down with so many teams potentially jumping one another tomorrow.

    Beating UGA tomorrow won't necessarily get us in the tournament. Winning 3 games next weekend with a double-bye would.

    So if OM and Mizzou both win tomorrow, our best shot at positioning ourselves well is to wind up in a tie for 4th with UK. The drawback there, of course, is that it puts us on Florida's side of the bracket.

    Ideally, we win tomorrow, OM and Mizzou both lose, and we're locked in at #2 regardless. But that seems like a longshot to me.

    hhmmmm...i haven't wagered in a loooong time on a sporting event, and i don't bet on Bama as a rule (conflict of interest), but I might heighten my weekend experience with a 3x parlay on Bama, LSU, Tenn for 50 bucks or something.

    Then if we hit, I'm super happy, and if we don't I start drinking (if our offense doens't make me start in the first half, of course)

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  • Theta said...

    Palm has us 4th team out.

    Make it to Sunday and we're in by the skin of our teeth. If we don't its over.

    That's the same idiot who said we probably wouldn't get in if we went 4-1 down the stretch with only loss to UF. We are 1-3 so far and he has us with a better chance than he did before.

    threepeat

  • ElephanTideis said...

    That's the same idiot who said we probably wouldn't get in if we went 4-1 down the stretch with only loss to UF. We are 1-3 so far and he has us with a better chance than he did before.

    Usually the bubble thins out. This year its been growing weekly.

    Probably 18-20 teams on the bubble. Usually its 8-10.

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    Theta