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BetterOff said...
I don't think so. The issue is that in a 4-way tie, although we beat Kentucky, I believe it goes to head to head between all 4 in the tie.
Kentucky is 2-1 (beating Mizzou and Ole Miss) Mizzou is 2-2 (beating Ole Miss and Alabama) Ole Miss is 2-2 (beating Alabama and Mizzou) Alabama is 1-2 (beating Kentucky)
Note: Ole Miss and Mizzou split.
I believe that is how the tie breaker works, so we need win along with one of the teams above us losing. All 3 of them are in very losable games, so I would assume more than likely, it will be a win and we will be anywhere from a 2-4 seed, but if all 3 of them win, we are at best a 5 seed.
Depending on how you look at it, I am not sure it matters that much. I still think 1 of 2 things need to happen for us to give ourselves a chance to make the field of 68. We have to win 2 game in the SEC tournament.......or make the finals on Sunday. 2 wins would put us in the finals from one of the top 4 seeds, which would be the best of both worlds.
I like the idea of the committee having Alabama on their mind if we are in the finals, thinking there is a chance they have to put us in. Can't hurt, IMO.
Either way, a team like us, or even any of the other bubble teams this year may show that the field was just fine at 64. No one has really come off the bubble in weeks (win or lose) because there aren't any teams below them doing any better. We've lost 3 "must win or you're out" games already and still sit in the first 4 or last 4 out in most of the scenarios. With so many crumbling, we really have a shot if we can go on a 3 game (counting UGA) winning streak.....and we would be favored probably to win those first 2 games.
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BetterOff said...
I don't think so. The issue is that in a 4-way tie, although we beat Kentucky, I believe it goes to head to head between all 4 in the tie.
Kentucky is 2-1 (beating Mizzou and Ole Miss) Mizzou is 2-2 (beating Ole Miss and Alabama) Ole Miss is 2-2 (beating Alabama and Mizzou) Alabama is 1-2 (beating Kentucky)
Note: Ole Miss and Mizzou split.
I believe that is how the tie breaker works, so we need win along with one of the teams above us losing.
This post was edited by NashTide on 3/8/2013 at 9:11 AM
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NashTide said...
Yes and no. Yes - we'd lose the 4-way tie, but we don't necessarily have to have to win to secure a double-bye if I'm reading it correctly.
If OM and Mizzou win, and UA and UK lose, UF/OM/Mizzou would be top 3, and Bama/UK would be tied for 4th with us winning the head to head. That's if Bama and UK both lose and the other two win.
In fact, unless one of OM/Mizzou loses, it's probably in our best interest for us to lose and hope UK loses to UF. That way we avoid anything more than a two-way tie. We wouldn't win any three or four team tiebreaks no matter who is involved. If all 4 teams win it's "technically" worse for us.
Of course, if we lose our NCAA at-large chances go bye-bye completely, so pick your poison. Best thing would be for us to win and hope we get help somewhere else, which is entirely likely. I have a hard time seeing OM/Mizz win on the road and UK beating UF all in one day.
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NashTide said...
Yes and no. Yes - we'd lose the 4-way tie, but we don't necessarily have to have to win to secure a double-bye if I'm reading it correctly.
If OM and Mizzou win, and UA and UK lose, UF/OM/Mizzou would be top 3, and Bama/UK would be tied for 4th with us winning the head to head. That's if Bama and UK both lose and the other two win.
In fact, unless one of OM/Mizzou loses, it's probably in our best interest for us to lose and hope UK loses to UF. That way we avoid anything more than a two-way tie. We wouldn't win any three or four team tiebreaks no matter who is involved. If all 4 teams win it's "technically" worse for us.
Of course, if we lose our NCAA at-large chances go bye-bye completely, so pick your poison. Best thing would be for us to win and hope we get help somewhere else, which is entirely likely. I have a hard time seeing OM/Mizz win on the road and UK beating UF all in one day.
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NashTide said...
Right - my point is that for us to win next Sunday, we need to be in the most favorable position to get there.
Earning a double-bye is the path of least resistance. I don't see this team winning 4 times in 4 days, so being off until Friday is imperative. Then it's about matchups, and no one can forecast how the bracket will shake down with so many teams potentially jumping one another tomorrow.
Beating UGA tomorrow won't necessarily get us in the tournament. Winning 3 games next weekend with a double-bye would.
So if OM and Mizzou both win tomorrow, our best shot at positioning ourselves well is to wind up in a tie for 4th with UK. The drawback there, of course, is that it puts us on Florida's side of the bracket.
Ideally, we win tomorrow, OM and Mizzou both lose, and we're locked in at #2 regardless. But that seems like a longshot to me.
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BetterOff said...
Which part seems like the longshot? Them losing or us winning?
Seriously though, we don't seem to catch any breaks with the timing of our schedule. Tennessee is awful and then we catch them at the beginning of a great run they put together in the middle of the conference schedule. We beat Kentucky, but did catch them just as Nerlins was getting things together and before he got hurt. Florida limps through a few weeks with injury problems, only to see just about everyone get healthy in time for our game........And now, we are getting a UGA team that is starting to look like they have things going pretty well coming off 2 big wins for them. I guess you can add that we caught LSU at their place just as O'Bryant really began to take over and maybe show that he could be the best player in the league going forward.
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NashTide said...
Right - my point is that for us to win next Sunday, we need to be in the most favorable position to get there.
Earning a double-bye is the path of least resistance. I don't see this team winning 4 times in 4 days, so being off until Friday is imperative. Then it's about matchups, and no one can forecast how the bracket will shake down with so many teams potentially jumping one another tomorrow.
Beating UGA tomorrow won't necessarily get us in the tournament. Winning 3 games next weekend with a double-bye would.
So if OM and Mizzou both win tomorrow, our best shot at positioning ourselves well is to wind up in a tie for 4th with UK. The drawback there, of course, is that it puts us on Florida's side of the bracket.
Ideally, we win tomorrow, OM and Mizzou both lose, and we're locked in at #2 regardless. But that seems like a longshot to me.
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