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14>2 & 9>2 doesn't matter

  • I have to say this, I am getting tired of hearing it, so bear with me as I need to say this. Based on the criteria from The Barn, and others in the media, we really should only be able to claim NC where we were undefeated, untied, won our bowl game (even at a time when they didn't matter). Now, I hear idiots applying strength of schedule for championships in the 1960's. I am not old enough to remember the 60's, but I am old enough to remember the 1977 and 1978 football seasons, and you cannot make this voter logic up:
    **1977 we played Ohio State ranked 8th in the Sugar, and beat them 35-6... we were ranked third going into that bowl. #5 Notre Dame played #1Texas and won 38-10. #2 Oklahoma lost to #6 Arkansas in the Orange. We thought we had won another NC, but no final rankings were Notre Dame #1, Bama #2 AP Poll & UP Poll... the explained logic was Notre Dame beat #1, please keep in mind this was the largest jump from #5 to #1 in college football history (I believe it still is). OK.
    **1978 we beat #1 PSU in the Sugar and we were #2, pretty easy right, wrong. We split this national title with USC who had beat us in the regular season and lost later. Obviously, the theory of beating #1 in a Bowl game no longer applied only a year later.
    For the young fans, this is why Seasoned Bama Fans have a chip on their shoulder. My Dad's generation can tell you ALL about the bias against Bama in the 1960's... Legendary. And all of this does not matter because at the end of the day 14 still beats 2 and 9 still beats 2. Yes, I am giving you 2, even though the first one you were on probation and could not play in a bowl, and the second you paid 200K for, but whatever.

    indians5854INDx0

  • Vote logic from '66 was prolly the worse of all time

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    TE36349

  • You're doing this wrong.

    When auburn fans bring up things like this, the proper thing to do is ask for a second to properly prepare to bask in their glorious butt-hurt. Then lean back a little, close your eyes, stretch your arms out wide, and say "okay, now I'm ready, continue".

    bhiley77

  • indians5854 said...

    We thought we had won another NC, but no final rankings were Notre Dame #1, Bama #2 AP Poll & UP Poll... the explained logic was Notre Dame beat #1, please keep in mind this was the largest jump from #5 to #1 in college football history (I believe it still is).

    Believe it happened to Auburn a few years later in 1983 when they were jumped by Miami, who had beaten Nebraska in the classic Orange Bowl game. Without looking it up, I think Auburn was #3 and Miami was either #4 or #5.

    One difference, though, is that while Bama had hammered a good OSU team, Auburn only beat Michigan something like 6-3. Seems like the NYT awarded Auburn their national championship, which some of their fans will claim, but they were pretty upset about being jumped.

    editnosmirc

  • Bottom line is we don't claim any NC using any different criteria that all other NC teams from the past use--USC, ND, Army, Ohio State, OK, etc. We all played under the same criteria to claim a NC and all these schools do likewise as us from 1920 to the present. If we drop some of our NCs then all these other schools would have to do so too. The reason bowl games didn't count in the past is that ND, Army and others chose to not even play in bowl games, so it was considered a reward game by many rating services and the polls until the 60s and 70s. The only year that is truly suspect that we claim is '41, but I and others on BOL, have explained this many times as the alternative to claiming '45, '66 and '77 NCs when we rightfully should have been able to. Barners have no traditional past to claim in terms of NCs, as they have only played in 9 major bowls in their entire 120+ year history--1938, 1964, 1972, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1989, 2005, 2007 and 2011--that's it with a record of 5-4-1!! Truly pathetic!! Bama has appeared in 36 major bowl games in its history including 6 Rose Bowls in which our record is 21-14-1!! No comparison and the rest of the nation knows it too, which is why the cow college will always be our-little step-brother, not our little brother! Shove these facts down their throats!

    strykertidester

  • Hell, I don't care how people count it. All I know is that we've won it a bunch. We've won it 3 times in my lifetime, which is more than Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden won it in their respective careers, and more than Auburn has in their school history. Anytime an Auburn fan asks me how many NC's we've really won, I just say "a whole lot more than you".

    Some people bring a knife to a gun fight. Mark Richt brings a Super Soaker 2000.

    JDPaden

  • I can't understand why the barntards even have the nerve to bring up our # of NCs when (1) Bama has eleventy-billion more than the barn ever will no matter how they choose to spin it and (2) they take credit for *1957. If I were a barner -- God forbid -- nattys are the last thing I'd bring up around a bammer (g).

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    Gina4Tide

  • CLICK the link and make sure to be on page #124 of the program but shows 126-127 on the expanded online guide....and then continue on.....This will give you what the University thinks, says, feels, and stands by. I then say, especially for those living members of those teams and even the families of the members not currently with us anymore - Tell them their seasons don't count. shrug

    rolltideroll
    bol14 and counting....HERE'S to #15 - coming soon to a memorabilia shop near you!

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  • If you're going to argue amount of championships, at least pick another elite program for comparison. WTF cares about Auburn in a conversation like this?

    Jawa3hc ●

  • indians5854 said...

    I have to say this, I am getting tired of hearing it, so bear with me as I need to say this. Based on the criteria from The Barn, and others in the media, we really should only be able to claim NC where we were undefeated, untied, won our bowl game (even at a time when they didn't matter). Now, I hear idiots applying strength of schedule for championships in the 1960's. I am not old enough to remember the 60's, but I am old enough to remember the 1977 and 1978 football seasons, and you cannot make this voter logic up: **1977 we played Ohio State ranked 8th in the Sugar, and beat them 35-6... we were ranked third going into that bowl. #5 Notre Dame played #1Texas and won 38-10. #2 Oklahoma lost to #6 Arkansas in the Orange. We thought we had won another NC, but no final rankings were Notre Dame #1, Bama #2 AP Poll & UP Poll... the explained logic was Notre Dame beat #1, please keep in mind this was the largest jump from #5 to #1 in college football history (I believe it still is). OK. **1978 we beat #1 PSU in the Sugar and we were #2, pretty easy right, wrong. We split this national title with USC who had beat us in the regular season and lost later. Obviously, the theory of beating #1 in a Bowl game no longer applied only a year later. For the young fans, this is why Seasoned Bama Fans have a chip on their shoulder. My Dad's generation can tell you ALL about the bias against Bama in the 1960's... Legendary. And all of this does not matter because at the end of the day 14 still beats 2 and 9 still beats 2. Yes, I am giving you 2, even though the first one you were on probation and could not play in a bowl, and the second you paid 200K for, but whatever.

    Bottom line is this.....Use the same criteria to compare Bama with ANY other team in the nation!

    What criteria is that? Major poll era titles. Forget everything before whether Bama claims it or not.

    We have 9. They have 2. End of argument.

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    Thehit86

  • Jawa3hc said...

    If you're going to argue amount of championships, at least pick another elite program for comparison. WTF cares about Auburn in a conversation like this?

    Without question, I know that you are right, and 98% of the time I hear this IT IS WATER OF A DUCK'S BACK. But, I just read another article from a media source breaking down our 14 NC claim, and it really only explained one side (the negative side)... not the complete story. They even applied strength of schedule to the 1966 team mentioned above. IMO, the national media just wants to ensure Notre Dame stays the National Championship Leader, but that could be that chip on my shoulder again, IDK! RTR!!

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