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Am I the only one that thinks Andrew Luck is a bit overrated?

  • I am not saying he is not a good QB, but the best QB prospect in the last 25 years is greatly exaggerated in my opinion. He was a QB is a power running offense where the offense was not even featured around him. The Stanford offense went through the running game, not through Andrew Luck. When Stanford played against teams that could score a lot of of points in the last two years (Oregon, Oklahoma State) and teams that could stop their running game they lost. Why? Because Stanford offense was based on play-action. Looks at highlights of Andrew Luck and tell me how many throws you see to wide open fullback out of the backfield or a mis-match with a TE in the endzone.

    And when their running game was stopped Andrew Luck did not beat teams with his arm because he didnt have the play-action pass. In the overtime win against USC I think he threw like one pass in both overtimes. The NFL is pretty much strait drop back passing now where you read defenses and make tight throws. I have rarely see Andrew Luck do that in college. 80 percent of this throw are to running backs or tight ends 8 yards or closer. I havent seen him drop back, stand in the pocket and read a defense and make a tight throw down the field. And he threw pick 6's against the best two teams he played this year (USC, Oregon).

    I am not saying he isnt a good QB, but I just dont see how he is possibly the best QB prospect in the last 25 years in college football. Besides Luck, there have been 3 near miss prospects rated in the last 25 years (Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, John Elway). While Manning and Elway lived up the hype, I think its fair to say Matt Ryan has not even come close to it and I think (just my opinion and gut feeling) that Luck is not going to live up to the hype. I am not saying he will be a bust or a terrible QB, but I think he will be more of a Matt Ryan than an Elway or Manning.

    I am prepared for downvotes because everytime I say I think Luck is overatted I get hammered, but it is just my honest opinion.

    beastman321

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  • A lot of the hype involving Luck involves upside and potential. Ability to read defenses, change plays at the line, etc. Most of his throws were to his tight end because his tight end was one the best receiver on the team and a first round draft projection.

    Your premise isn't really wrong though, I've seen him play in person a couple of times and you don't come away thinking you're seeing one of the greatest of a generation, but think of how many system QBs put up gaudy numbers and fail quick in the pros because they can't do things fundamental to the NFL game.

    bhiley77

  • If college play was the only ruler used for potential, Brady would be the towel boy but he had the smarts and drive to succeed. Now to your point, Luck has the potential to be very good based on the right system and the right teacher...Indy should be a good fit for him. He is tall tough and has a good arm with a good touch. Since I have never been in coaching, this is my opinion based on the analysis I have heard from Gruden and others that know better than I.

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  • bamagreg85 said...

    If college play was the only ruler used for potential, Brady would be the towel boy but he had the smarts and drive to succeed. Now to your point, Luck has the potential to be very good based on the right system and the right teacher...Indy should be a good fit for him. He is tall tough and has a good arm with a good touch. Since I have never been in coaching, this is my opinion based on the analysis I have heard from Gruden and others that know better than I.

    I think he is a good player, but I just dont see how he is being projected as the best QB in the last 25 years. He ran an offense in college (2 TEs and a fullback 75 percent of the time) that is nothing like an NFL offense. 60 percent of his throws were play action quick throws to a TE or FB. What the NFL is know for now is 3 and 4 wide and down the field throws and readings defenses. I never saw Luck do this in college and I just dont see where the best QB in the last 25 years in coming from.

    beastman321

  • I think Luck will have a longer and more impressive career than RGIII...

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  • Who is the best young QB since Peyton or Brady? Brees? Rivers is good but not HOF worthy IMO. What do you think of Cam as an NFL QB based in 1 year?

    BamaTusks

  • You aren't alone. I think he's going to do well, but he's not the next Montana like everyone is predicting. I have said so many times and I'm sticking to it.

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  • I'm not sure about the last 25 years but I can't really see any weaknesses. He's a high character player, smart, ideal size, good arm, and still runs around a 4.6. I'd take him over RGIII solely over durability issues of taking hits in the NFL.

    Bamaducks

  • Luck made a living dumping the ball to the fullback and tightend. I think his mid and lon range capability is still somewhat unknown.

    TideJoe

  • TideJoe said...

    Luck made a living dumping the ball to the fullback and tightend. I think his mid and lon range capability is still somewhat unknown.

    That is my point exactly. We have not ever seen him throw consistently to WRs 10-20 yards down the field and I have never seen him in a 4 WR 2 minute offense. He may have all the intangables (size, good arm, good 40 time, and knowledge). But what has he done at the college level or when you study film that woudl make you even think he is the best football prospect in the last 25 years?

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    Douché!

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  • crimsonbleeder said...

    I think Luck will have a longer and more impressive career than RGIII...

    This season is going to be remembered as doing RG a disservice. He'd have been a better wr.

    Douché!

    bol1484395

  • luck will have a great career. regardless of how long it lasts. don't doubt him because he's from the west coast. if he were at bama we would've won the 2010 and 2011 nat'l championships. not only does he possess the skills, but the intangibles also that cause his peers to rise up to his level. jmo, fyi.

    Tandy Bogus

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    if he were at bama we would've won the 2010 and 2011 nat'l championships.

    Agreed. He's a world-class shutdown corner and gets after the QB like nobody's business.

    Douché!

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  • I don't believe ANY hype about any prospect because you just never know until they get to the NFL. Not only that, but you don't know how the team around them is going to be. Many, many HOF QB's started terribly in the league because they played for bad teams. All that said, I think Luck has a better chance than 90% of most QB's to be elite.

    And this board isn't the best for evaluating NFL QB talent... we kinda missed on Cammy.

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  • two words, peyton manning, dont get me wrong, he's a great prospect and i believe he will be very successful, but if youre basing it on his athleticism there have been many more athletes that have been better, if youre basing it on stats, there have been many guys who had waay higher stats, i just dont see it, he is a truly gifted player, but i think barkley will have a better nfl career, just saying, we'll find out in a few years...

    Jameson416

  • VegasTide said...

    I don't believe ANY hype about any prospect because you just never know until they get to the NFL. Not only that, but you don't know how the team around them is going to be. Many, many HOF QB's started terribly in the league because they played for bad teams. All that said, I think Luck has a better chance than 90% of most QB's to be elite.

    And this board isn't the best for evaluating NFL QB talent... we kinda missed on Cammy.

    keep in mind, we're still waiting to see about Cammy's long term career...I still wonder how he'll be over the next 5-10 years... I fully expect him to implode a la "Petrinoed" at some point...

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  • In terms of pure arm talent, I wouldn't put Luck ahead of Stafford or maybe even Bradford in recent years, but I think the praise is warranted when you look at him as a complete prospect. It's hard to live up to such high praise especially in today's media climate, but all hyperbole aside, Luck is the most mentally advanced QB (in terms of actually translating thoughts to on-field play) since Manning came out. On the surface, he might not look as good as Stafford, Bradford, Ryan, and even RG3 in terms of the ball leaving his hand, but there's a lot more to it than that.

    Re: Stanford's offense- I think it's also important to note the TE's and RB's he had there were by far his best receiving options. (I think their soph. TE's Ertz and Toilolo are among the best prospects at the position in college currently). FWIW one source told me he thinks Will Lowery would've been the second best WR on Stanford's roster.

    Bamaducks has a great point in that there are very few questions, let alone tangible weaknesses to Luck. He's much less of a risk than any QB in a while.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Charles Power on 4/12/2012 at 10:33 PM

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  • I see where your coming from, I think hes overrated as well. Colts biggest mistake was to trade Peyton Manning for a rookie who played against pac 12 defenses

    bamail

  • VegasTide said...

    I don't believe ANY hype about any prospect because you just never know until they get to the NFL. Not only that, but you don't know how the team around them is going to be. Many, many HOF QB's started terribly in the league because they played for bad teams. All that said, I think Luck has a better chance than 90% of most QB's to be elite.

    And this board isn't the best for evaluating NFL QB talent... we kinda missed on Cammy.

    Haters missed on Cammy. I think most knew he'd be pretty good after the iron bowl. He's bigger than a linebacker and runs like a gazelle, you can sacrifice some accuracy issues.

    Bamaducks

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