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Bball season is now. Its fair to evaluate coach grant

  • If Engstrom doesn't get hurt and Coach Grant is able to rotate Engstrom and Moussa at the 5 while allowing Jacobs to be a score first 4, Alabama wins several more games. Having to play Jacobs OR Moussa as opposed to being able to play Jacobs AND a center really made a difference in this season. Jacobs is a horrific defensive and rebounding liability but he is a bull on offense. I think Jacobs had to play out of position and as the season ends I feel bad for him because he looked really bad at times trying to do things he's really not good at.

    If Bama can get Engstrom back and add the 2 young bigs next year, I see another 20 plus win season without the bad early season losses. We lost 2 games in December that really make a pretty decent year feel like a failure. I think Coach Grant is an outstanding coach. I look at the SEC and honestly besides Mike Anderson, Cal and Donnovan I dont see a better coach. Yes, I'm including the coach at Vandy. I think in Grant we have a coach on his way up. We have Nick Saban when he was at Michigan State, Les Miles when he was Okie State etc. We don't have the finished product but He's getting there and he's not losing while he's learning. I think we as fans need to relax and let him perfect his philosophy.

    EDJR30

  • EDJR30 said...

    If Engstrom doesn't get hurt and Coach Grant is able to rotate Engstrom and Moussa at the 5 while allowing Jacobs to be a score first 4, Alabama wins several more games. Having to play Jacobs OR Moussa as opposed to being able to play Jacobs AND a center really made a difference in this season. Jacobs is a horrific defensive and rebounding liability but he is a bull on offense. I think Jacobs had to play out of position and as the season ends I feel bad for him because he looked really bad at times trying to do things he's really not good at.

    If Bama can get Engstrom back and add the 2 young bigs next year, I see another 20 plus win season without the bad early season losses. We lost 2 games in December that really make a pretty decent year feel like a failure. I think Coach Grant is an outstanding coach. I look at the SEC and honestly besides Mike Anderson, Cal and Donnovan I dont see a better coach. Yes, I'm including the coach at Vandy. I think in Grant we have a coach on his way up. We have Nick Saban when he was at Michigan State, Les Miles when he was Okie State etc. We don't have the finished product but He's getting there and he's not losing while he's learning. I think we as fans need to relax and let him perfect his philosophy.

    Great post, but I don't want a Les for a BBall coach, will always find a way to lose a big game.

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  • EDJR30 said...

    If Engstrom doesn't get hurt and Coach Grant is able to rotate Engstrom and Moussa at the 5 while allowing Jacobs to be a score first 4, Alabama wins several more games. Having to play Jacobs OR Moussa as opposed to being able to play Jacobs AND a center really made a difference in this season. Jacobs is a horrific defensive and rebounding liability but he is a bull on offense. I think Jacobs had to play out of position and as the season ends I feel bad for him because he looked really bad at times trying to do things he's really not good at.

    If Bama can get Engstrom back and add the 2 young bigs next year, I see another 20 plus win season without the bad early season losses. We lost 2 games in December that really make a pretty decent year feel like a failure. I think Coach Grant is an outstanding coach. I look at the SEC and honestly besides Mike Anderson, Cal and Donnovan I dont see a better coach. Yes, I'm including the coach at Vandy. I think in Grant we have a coach on his way up. We have Nick Saban when he was at Michigan State, Les Miles when he was Okie State etc. We don't have the finished product but He's getting there and he's not losing while he's learning. I think we as fans need to relax and let him perfect his philosophy.

    You lost me at Nick Jacobs being a bull on the offensive end. He can not shoot a jumper, and one post move, refuses to use his right hand, and he can not jump over a piece of paper. They have got to work on his game during the offseason. He also needs to commit to getting into shape.

    I tend to agree with you about Grant. Next year should be a better season. He should have all the pieces in place to be in the top 25, top 3 in the SEC, and comfortably in the tournament.

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  • Thanks for the positive spin, but I still think that we need a good assistant with an offensive mind. I've seen teams with lesser talent move the ball much better than we did for most of the year.

    I believe that CAG can be a really good coach, but he has to make some small changes to his mindset in order to get there.
    JMO.

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  • Decemeber really killed us. We lost Engstrom and Steele and went onto go 1-5 in six games.

    We went a respectable 19-6 in the other games while winning the 2Ksports classic with a 22 win over Villanova and finishing tied for second in the SEC.

    But the season isn't over. There are still games to be played.

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  • ED, do u feel that grant needs to make the dance next season AND win a tournament game in order to keep his job ?

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  • EDJR30 said...

    If Engstrom doesn't get hurt and Coach Grant is able to rotate Engstrom and Moussa at the 5 while allowing Jacobs to be a score first 4, Alabama wins several more games. Having to play Jacobs OR Moussa as opposed to being able to play Jacobs AND a center really made a difference in this season. Jacobs is a horrific defensive and rebounding liability but he is a bull on offense. I think Jacobs had to play out of position and as the season ends I feel bad for him because he looked really bad at times trying to do things he's really not good at.

    If Bama can get Engstrom back and add the 2 young bigs next year, I see another 20 plus win season without the bad early season losses. We lost 2 games in December that really make a pretty decent year feel like a failure. I think Coach Grant is an outstanding coach. I look at the SEC and honestly besides Mike Anderson, Cal and Donnovan I dont see a better coach. Yes, I'm including the coach at Vandy. I think in Grant we have a coach on his way up. We have Nick Saban when he was at Michigan State, Les Miles when he was Okie State etc. We don't have the finished product but He's getting there and he's not losing while he's learning. I think we as fans need to relax and let him perfect his philosophy.

    You are out of your mind if you think Engstrom would have made any difference, IMO. Also, what would Jacobs have done differently playing the 4 position? He is still limited to only being able to make a shot with his left hand within 3 feet of the basket and unable to guard anyone that might face up to the basket.....so I don't see how that changes a thing.

    Feel like a failure? Without 3 wins in 3 days, this season will be a failure.

    The sunshine pumpers will love your post though. There's always next year with Anthony Grant.

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    You are out of your mind if you think Engstrom would have made any difference, IMO. Also, what would Jacobs have done differently playing the 4 position? He is still limited to only being able to make a shot with his left hand within 3 feet of the basket and unable to guard anyone that might face up to the basket.....so I don't see how that changes a thing.

    Feel like a failure? Without 3 wins in 3 days, this season will be a failure.

    The sunshine pumpers will love your post though. There's always next year with Anthony Grant.

    There is a lot to improve on, and a lot that would have been better with Carl IMO. Carl, for all his lack of offensive prowess, had just started coming into his own as a passer. A 7' guy that can alter shots and pass from the free throw line is worth a few points. I also believe Ed is right about Jacobs being out of position. He wasn't going to be Al Horford, but it would give you 2 big bodies down low at the same time, which makes not only a big difference in how they're defended, but allows you to rebound both sides of the rim.

    I'm telling you, look back at the end of last season at some of the games where Carl would catch, turn, and throw a pass over the top of the defense. It wasn't consistent, but he was really showing improvement. As I've said many times, while it would be nice to have a stud in the middle, many times we were just missing a serviceable body with length. Moose is just clumsy, and can't catch the ball, much less pass it.

    On offense, we definitely need some coaching help (or for Grant to let his guys coach...depending who you ask). I've been extremely disappointed in our ability to make adjustments and move the ball inside and out for decent shots, and then actually take those shots when they're first available. Our guys don't play loose, which indicates to me that we're overcoaching the 'perfect' shot and maybe running the clock by design. Another thing that irritates me when I watch us and then good teams is our inability to run a decent inbound play to a guy in position to either score or get the ball to a scorer. Finally, we desperately need someone to teach our guys about the secondary break. Right now, if it's not there, we back out and pass around the perimeter. We have to learn that there are usually people out of position, which allows a trailer to take advantage of this.

    And finally, while we'd like all 5*'s, we can't just go without any players chasing long shots. We need guys who can play basketball at all positions, even if they're not NBA talents.

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  • BetterOff said...

    You are out of your mind if you think Engstrom would have made any difference, IMO. Also, what would Jacobs have done differently playing the 4 position? He is still limited to only being able to make a shot with his left hand within 3 feet of the basket and unable to guard anyone that might face up to the basket.....so I don't see how that changes a thing.

    Feel like a failure? Without 3 wins in 3 days, this season will be a failure.

    The sunshine pumpers will love your post though. There's always next year with Anthony Grant.

    Engstrom's presence would have made a huge difference this season. At the very least, Alabama would be able to go longer stretches with a big man that can block shots, get rebounds, and clog the lane. When Moussa gets in foul trouble as he always does, that's it. Jacobs is not a five. He needs help in the post especially on the defensive end. He does not have the skill set to be the only big on the floor.

    I am not a sunshine pumper. But you have to look at the entire picture to understand why Engstrom's loss really hurt Alabama. It is more than stats. He made it more difficult for teams to score in the paint. His presence also meant that Alabama could be better defensively for longer stretches in the game.

    Grant needs to get rid of a couple of assistants, hire a guy that put together an offensive game plan for him, and help him evaluate and recruit big men.

    This post was edited by ce1976 on 3/10/2013 at 12:12 PM

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  • ce1976 said...

    Jacobs is not a five. He needs help in the post especially on the defensive end. He does not have the skill set to be the only big on the floor.

    Problem is that Jacobs is not a 4 either...and doesn't have the skill set to be that guy either.

    His offensive ability forces him to be the 5 any time he is on the court, since you don't want him with the ball anywhere but 3 feet from the basket........not to mention that I am not sure he has passed the ball once this season from the post position.

    Everything we do is predictable on offense. If the ball ever gets inside, teams can collapse with comfort that the ball will never come back out.

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  • ce1976 said...

    Engstrom's presence would have made a huge difference this season. At the very least, Alabama would be able to go longer stretches with a big man that can block shots, get rebounds, and clog the lane. When Moussa gets in foul trouble as he always does, that's it. Jacobs is not a five. He needs help in the post especially on the defensive end. He does not have the skill set to be the only big on the floor.

    I am not a sunshine pumper. But you have to look at the entire picture to understand why Engstrom's loss really hurt Alabama. It is more than stats. He made it more difficult for teams to score in the paint. His presence almost meant that Alabama could be better defensively for longer stretches in the game.

    Grant needs to get rid of a couple of assistants, hire a guy that put together an offensive game plan for him, and help him evaluate and recruit big men.

    I agree that Jacobs is not a 5. The problem is that his only moves are that of a 5. How would he play as a 4? He can't hit a shot further than 5 feet away from the basket. His little left-handed baby hook is the only shot he's got and he has to be in the lane for it.

    And if you guys think Jacobs is bad guarding a 5, imagine how bad he would be guarding a 4!

    It makes me chuckle when I see some of these posts that make Engstrom sound like Patrick Ewing. No doubt losing him hurt us, but some people make it sound like we would be on Florida's level if we had a guy who has only been playing basketball for a couple years.

    nickolas837

  • nickolas837 said...

    I agree that Jacobs is not a 5. The problem is that his only moves are that of a 5. How would he play as a 4? He can't hit a shot further than 5 feet away from the basket. His little left-handed baby hook is the only shot he's got and he has to be in the lane for it.

    And if you guys think Jacobs is bad guarding a 5, imagine how bad he would be guarding a 4!

    It makes me chuckle when I see some of these posts that make Engstrom sound like Patrick Ewing. No doubt losing him hurt us, but some people make it sound like we would be on Florida's level if we had a guy who has only been playing basketball for a couple years.

    I've never seen anyone make such an outlandish suggestions that CE would bring us up to UFs level.
    However,
    CE is >>>> MG both in skill and coordination.
    And if nothing else, he would give us additional minutes, fouls and an extra big for match up purposes (less of Levi or coop guarding a 6'11" Slovak)

    Bama_Lefty

  • EDJR30 said...

    If Engstrom doesn't get hurt and Coach Grant is able to rotate Engstrom and Moussa at the 5 while allowing Jacobs to be a score first 4, Alabama wins several more games. Having to play Jacobs OR Moussa as opposed to being able to play Jacobs AND a center really made a difference in this season. Jacobs is a horrific defensive and rebounding liability but he is a bull on offense. I think Jacobs had to play out of position and as the season ends I feel bad for him because he looked really bad at times trying to do things he's really not good at.

    If Bama can get Engstrom back and add the 2 young bigs next year, I see another 20 plus win season without the bad early season losses. We lost 2 games in December that really make a pretty decent year feel like a failure. I think Coach Grant is an outstanding coach. I look at the SEC and honestly besides Mike Anderson, Cal and Donnovan I dont see a better coach. Yes, I'm including the coach at Vandy. I think in Grant we have a coach on his way up. We have Nick Saban when he was at Michigan State, Les Miles when he was Okie State etc. We don't have the finished product but He's getting there and he's not losing while he's learning. I think we as fans need to relax and let him perfect his philosophy.

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  • ARS4UA said...

    ED, do u feel that grant needs to make the dance next season AND win a tournament game in order to keep his job ?

    I dont. There are way to many unknown variables for me to say that over a year from now a coach needs some specific achievement to keep his job. He might win the SEC, receive a #1 seed, and get bounced in round 2. I think a lot of people would bitch about that. We should wait until next season is over.

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  • EDJR30 said...

    I dont. There are way to many unknown variables for me to say that over a year from now a coach needs some specific achievement to keep his job. He might win the SEC, receive a #1 seed, and get bounced in round 2. I think a lot of people would bitch about that. We should wait until next season is over.

    But do you think we need to make the tournament at the least?

    Brian Henry

  • nickolas837 said...

    I agree that Jacobs is not a 5. The problem is that his only moves are that of a 5. How would he play as a 4? He can't hit a shot further than 5 feet away from the basket. His little left-handed baby hook is the only shot he's got and he has to be in the lane for it.

    And if you guys think Jacobs is bad guarding a 5, imagine how bad he would be guarding a 4!

    It makes me chuckle when I see some of these posts that make Engstrom sound like Patrick Ewing. No doubt losing him hurt us, but some people make it sound like we would be on Florida's level if we had a guy who has only been playing basketball for a couple years.

    Pat Ewing? Im saying we wouldve beaten Tulane. I dont know where you found Ewing in that comment. Every run that happened to Alabama over the last month happened when Moussa was in foul trouble and Jacobs was in the paint missing rebounds and letting the other team have layup drills in the paint. Jacobs is one trick pony. Having a 5 on the game with him allows him to do that one thing.

    EDJR30

  • Brian Henry said...

    But do you think we need to make the tournament at the least?

    I think Alabama basketball should make the tournament every year. But sometimes things dont go as you hope they will. That does not mean the coach did a bad job. Nick Saban went 10-3 with the most talented team he's had since he became Alabama's coach. You have to look at all the factors that go into things turning out the way they do each season.

    EDJR30

  • Bama_Lefty said...

    And if nothing else, he would give us additional minutes, fouls and an extra big for match up purposes (less of Levi or coop guarding a 6'11" Slovak)

    This brings up another concern of mine. Since we are having to play small, why do we still attempt to turn every game into a halfcourt game?

    Playing small should mean that we should be trying to beat team with speed and athleticism....neither of which we really actually attempt to do.

    With the players we do have, it should be up tempo to give us as many one of one chances in transition as possible.

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