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Before you criticize our OC...

  • ...remember that we were without our best O-lineman and, after the first pass, our second best WR last night. And, outside of TR, we are fairly limited on explosive playmakers on offense to begin with anyway. People seem to ignore the facts of our limitations and expect to see an offense like Oklahoma State or Stanford or something from Alabama. It just can't happen with our current personnel. Saban knows this and that's why it's pretty much 3 yds and a cloud of dust. With our defense we can play it close to the vest and win out. AJ has shown a recent tendency to make big mistakes in the passing game so don't expect us to go out there and throw the ball around for 300 yds. We don't have to. It ain't McIlwain's fault; that's what Saban wants. We just beat down another SEC team on the road with this method. So try not to get bent out of shape because we're not putting on dazzling displays on offense. We're playing to our strengths: a brutal rushing attack and an even more brutal defense. Seems like that formula's worked pretty good around here before.

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  • I'm in no way going to criticize the results that our team has produced over the last four seasons. With that said, I'm not a huge fan of CJM. I admit that I don't know nearly as much about football as he does, I just don't like a lot of his plays. I don't like running the ball out of the shotgun (except the pistol). I think we throw too many short passes instead of letting the QB push the ball down field. I also think our play calling changes for the worse when we get inside the 30 yard line. I do really like to win though, and we've done a lot of winning over the last few years.

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  • I tend to agree with you about some of his play calling. That delayed hand off to Trent with AJ in the shot gun has not worked all year. But having said that I still think he is a pretty good O.C.

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  • McElwain needs to go. He is obsessed to running plays to the short side of the field, delays draws, his playcalling is horrible, and he takes forever to make in-game adjustments. We usually win in spite of of OC with superior talent and not because of it.

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  • janda23 said...

    ...remember that we were without our best O-lineman and, after the first pass, our second best WR last night. And, outside of TR, we are fairly limited on explosive playmakers on offense to begin with anyway. People seem to ignore the facts of our limitations and expect to see an offense like Oklahoma State or Stanford or something from Alabama. It just can't happen with our current personnel. Saban knows this and that's why it's pretty much 3 yds and a cloud of dust. With our defense we can play it close to the vest and win out. AJ has shown a recent tendency to make big mistakes in the passing game so don't expect us to go out there and throw the ball around for 300 yds. We don't have to. It ain't McIlwain's fault; that's what Saban wants. We just beat down another SEC team on the road with this method. So try not to get bent out of shape because we're not putting on dazzling displays on offense. We're playing to our strengths: a brutal rushing attack and an even more brutal defense. Seems like that formula's worked pretty good around here before.

    People are stupid. Guys that never played football and some that didn't play past the age of 17 are trying to criticize men that do this for a living. Everyone is an expert, but as soon as you complain about not throwing the ball, AJ throws an almost pick 6. If you notice, the thread that is now up to 3 pages about not throwing the ball was made about 5 minutes before AJ threw the pick.

    I will never understand why we want to risk giving a team like MSU a chance to score when they can't move the ball against us at all by throwing the ball when it is not needed. Look at the Stanford/Oregon game. Stanford was running the ball somewhat decently, but even Luck made turnovers in the passing game (2 INT's and 2 fumbles while being sacked) that either were returned for TD's or were returned well inside Stanford's territory. That cost them the game. Simple as that. They only forced Oregon to drive the field twice the entire game.

    People don't seem to remember the MSU game from 2007 very well either when the same thing happened. If a team can't move the ball on you, don't give them points for free.

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  • spitz0728 said...

    I tend to agree with you about some of his play calling. That delayed hand off to Trent with AJ in the shot gun has not worked all year. But having said that I still think he is a pretty good O.C.

    Was the Signature 76 yard juke run not off this play? I'm 99% sure it was

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  • spitz0728 said...

    I tend to agree with you about some of his play calling. That delayed hand off to Trent with AJ in the shot gun has not worked all year. But having said that I still think he is a pretty good O.C.

    ^^^This. Draw plays from the shotgun with a power running back has not worked. The last TD of the night the had 3 tight ends and lead blocker. Lacy went 30 yards.

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  • spitz0728 said...

    I tend to agree with you about some of his play calling. That delayed hand off to Trent with AJ in the shot gun has not worked all year. But having said that I still think he is a pretty good O.C.

    He has won a National Title.

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    ^^^This. Draw plays from the shotgun with a power running back has not worked. The last TD of the night the had 3 tight ends and lead blocker. Lacy went 30 yards.

    ^^^^^4-time Playstation National Champion

    Just because you see something not work a couple of times, it doesn't mean it doesn't work. It is neccessary to run draw plays from the shotgun. Everyone loves when we hit a crossing route from this formation. Guess what? Without running the draw from time to time, the LB's will drop back and take away those routes. There is more to playcalling than each individual play.

    I also wouldn't put too much stock in any play that works with 2 minutes left and with a team down by two scores. Besides, we have had successful run plays from every formation imaginable.

    This post was edited by BetterOff on 11/13/2011 at 10:43 AM

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  • Bearyant said...

    McElwain needs to go. He is obsessed to running plays to the short side of the field, delays draws, his playcalling is horrible, and he takes forever to make in-game adjustments. We usually win in spite of of OC with superior talent and not because of it.

    So are you saying that, if Saban doesn't get rid of McElwain, then Saban needs to go? Because, after all, it's Saban's responsibility.

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  • Results asshole. How many yards has that sprint draw yielded early in games. 2008 we ran power and salted away games on offense. Wasn't pretty, but effective. We just ran into Tebow. 2009 we had a nice mix of power and passing. This year we have clearly leaned more towards finesse. Tell me why a 5 & 5 team stopped us on 4th & 1. Explain it. We used to pick that up against better teams.

    This post was edited by Run37 on 11/13/2011 at 10:51 AM

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  • You got to remember guys that CJM is given a theme to follow by CNS and he works within that window. CNS mentioned in his book that one of the biggest challenges he as a coach has to content with is that he has to fight himself on becoming to conservative on offense. If you were going to list CNS strengths and weaknesses as a coach, Defense and all its subparts would be at the top, followed by organization and recruiting and Offense would be down that list a fair bit. Granted the stuff at the top is not just at the top of his list but the best in the business.

    This post was edited by Makarov42 on 11/13/2011 at 10:56 AM

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  • I think this whole discussion over our O play calling or lack there of,Is just a hangover from the LSU game. If we beat LSU a lot of this discussion doesn't happen today. I do believe we are a little predictable on offense ,but we are 9-1 and still have a chance to play in the big game. Remember that this is the same oc and play calling that won a BCSNC in 09. Execution by the players play a big part in moving the football. I am just trying to be positive about it guys that's all.

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  • Run37 said...

    Results asshole. How many yards has that sprint draw yielded early in games. 2008 we ran power and salted away games on offense. Wasn't pretty, but effective. We just ran into Tebow. 2009 we had a nice mix of power and passing. This year we have clearly leaned more towards finesse. Tell me why a 5 & 5 team stopped us on 4th & 1. Explain it. We used to pick that up against better teams.

    I know, being 2nd this year and 3rd last year in the SEC in offense is just horrible, especially with a HC that like to keep it somewhat conservative. Get rid of him. I can tell you one thing, there will be about 110 teams lined up to get him if we do.

    Are you really going to blame playcalling on not converting on 4th and 1?? I would hope that we could call any running play in the book and get it from 1 yard. That is execution, not playcalling.

    You point out one game in 2009 and act like that was a better offense. There are a lot of other games that year that the offense was much worse.

    Quit being stupid.

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  • BetterOff said...

    I know, being 2nd this year and 3rd last year in the SEC in offense is just horrible, especially with a HC that like to keep it somewhat conservative. Get rid of him. I can tell you one thing, there will be about 110 teams lined up to get him if we do.

    Are you really going to blame playcalling on not converting on 4th and 1?? I would hope that we could call any running play in the book and get it from 1 yard. That is execution, not playcalling.

    You point out one game in 2009 and act like that was a better offense. There are a lot of other games that year that the offense was much worse.

    Quit being stupid.

    Who said anything about firing our coach? Don't put words in my mouth to validate your weak argument. The main problem with this years offense is we don't have a physical possession, go to receiver to bail us out. Some of us just wish we wouldn't try to pretend this is a great passing attack, and get back to power football. Duron Carter may be just what we are missing, but we won't know until next year.

    This post was edited by Run37 on 11/13/2011 at 11:12 AM

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  • airharper said...

    So are you saying that, if Saban doesn't get rid of McElwain, then Saban needs to go? Because, after all, it's Saban's responsibility.

    I'm saying that Saban doesn't understand good offense and unless he lucks into hiring a good OC, we will always have bland offenses that win on mostly talent alone. Our offense production, good or bad, is ultimately up to him because he is the one that is hires and fires the coaches in charge of it....As I have said before, if he would go hire a truly great offensive guru and give him the reins, he would win 99% of all games he coaches in.

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