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CAG better in yr2-4 than Wimp! Facts warning...

  • All you unrealistic bball fans, need to face facts. We have had significant injuries, defections of big men not willing to buy-in and other legitimate reasons to struggle yet CAG is still producing. Wimp Sanderson is to Alabama basketball what Bear Bryant is to football, the Gold Standard.

    In years 2,3 & 4. Wimp had a great SEC record of 10-8, 10-8 & 8-10. 28-26 for a Winning percentage of .519. Over the same period, with much more turmoil from "me before team" player attitudes, CAG has gone: 12-4, 9-7 & 11-5 (to this pt, granted Wimp had 18 game sched compared to 16 & we move back to 18 this yr). So, CAG is 32-16 with a winning % of .667 but please don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.

    I'm sure I'll get downvoted & que the SEC is weaker now. Funny how we are supposed to listen to your excuses but mine are considered "illegitimate". How about we forget all excuses and just compare records.

    If you watched us play yesterday, in one of the toughest environments on the rd, in arguably a Final 4 caliber team's house, in a must-win situation for them with serious post-season & Tourny seeding on the line immediately after being upset at TN and saw the heart and effort these kids gave, with Cooper at 6'5" guarding a 6'10" deadly shooter & giving them all they wanted with a less talented roster & yet, you still refuse to give CAG any credit, you're officially hopeless & impossible to reason with.

    99% of the naysayers refuse to acknowledge any facts contrary to their opinion. Luckily, our AD is much more realistic while also demanding improvement. Given our recent basketball history, to fire Grant now would be idiotic. If you agree he has at least earned more time, then please just shut-up & come out to support our Team & these great kids. ROLL TIDE!!!

    Tide411

  • Tide411 said...

    the SEC is weaker now.

    indeed it is.

    This post was edited by UAbasspro on 3/3/2013 at 2:06 PM

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    UAbasspro ●

  • Yep, oh and Gottfried was way better in year 4 than Grant. 2 seed, SEC title, playing against vastly superior teams.

    I don't care to judge based on previous coaches. I rate a coach on what he has done. 4 years, one NIT, and one NCAA with no victories. Bubble team this year with some games left to play. Also for bubble teams its way easier than it was to get to the tourney with 4 extra slots available. Offense getting worse every year. Defense the same for year 1 to 4.

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    IvoryTusk

  • Tide411 said...

    All you unrealistic bball fans, need to face facts. We have had significant injuries, defections of big men not willing to buy-in and other legitimate reasons to struggle yet CAG is still producing. Wimp Sanderson is to Alabama basketball what Bear Bryant is to football, the Gold Standard.

    In years 2,3 & 4. Wimp had a great SEC record of 10-8, 10-8 & 8-10. 28-26 for a Winning percentage of .519. Over the same period, with much more turmoil from "me before team" player attitudes, CAG has gone: 12-4, 9-7 & 11-5 (to this pt, granted Wimp had 18 game sched compared to 16 & we move back to 18 this yr). So, CAG is 32-16 with a winning % of .667 but please don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.

    I'm sure I'll get downvoted & que the SEC is weaker now. Funny how we are supposed to listen to your excuses but mine are considered "illegitimate". How about we forget all excuses and just compare records.

    If you watched us play yesterday, in one of the toughest environments on the rd, in arguably a Final 4 caliber team's house, in a must-win situation for them with serious post-season & Tourny seeding on the line immediately after being upset at TN and saw the heart and effort these kids gave, with Cooper at 6'5" guarding a 6'10" deadly shooter & giving them all they wanted with a less talented roster & yet, you still refuse to give CAG any credit, you're officially hopeless & impossible to reason with.

    99% of the naysayers refuse to acknowledge any facts contrary to their opinion. Luckily, our AD is much more realistic while also demanding improvement. Given our recent basketball history, to fire Grant now would be idiotic. If you agree he has at least earned more time, then please just shut-up & come out to support our Team & these great kids. ROLL TIDE!!!

    Coach Wimp 2nd team sweet sixteen, 3rd and 4th team were ncaa tourney teams.

    But let's focus on our great current SEC record while the SEC is at it's worst ebb in my lifetime.

    This crummy current SEC is the only reason Grant is not being run out of town this year. The only thing Grant has to hang his hat on is his SEC record during some of the worst SEC play in decades.

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    robert1975 ●

  • Tide411 said...

    All you unrealistic bball fans, need to face facts. We have had significant injuries, defections of big men not willing to buy-in and other legitimate reasons to struggle yet CAG is still producing. Wimp Sanderson is to Alabama basketball what Bear Bryant is to football, the Gold Standard.

    In years 2,3 & 4. Wimp had a great SEC record of 10-8, 10-8 & 8-10. 28-26 for a Winning percentage of .519. Over the same period, with much more turmoil from "me before team" player attitudes, CAG has gone: 12-4, 9-7 & 11-5 (to this pt, granted Wimp had 18 game sched compared to 16 & we move back to 18 this yr). So, CAG is 32-16 with a winning % of .667 but please don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.

    I'm sure I'll get downvoted & que the SEC is weaker now. Funny how we are supposed to listen to your excuses but mine are considered "illegitimate". How about we forget all excuses and just compare records.

    If you watched us play yesterday, in one of the toughest environments on the rd, in arguably a Final 4 caliber team's house, in a must-win situation for them with serious post-season & Tourny seeding on the line immediately after being upset at TN and saw the heart and effort these kids gave, with Cooper at 6'5" guarding a 6'10" deadly shooter & giving them all they wanted with a less talented roster & yet, you still refuse to give CAG any credit, you're officially hopeless & impossible to reason with.

    99% of the naysayers refuse to acknowledge any facts contrary to their opinion. Luckily, our AD is much more realistic while also demanding improvement. Given our recent basketball history, to fire Grant now would be idiotic. If you agree he has at least earned more time, then please just shut-up & come out to support our Team & these great kids. ROLL TIDE!!!

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    Wheeler1000

  • I don't no what team you are watching but we are shooting the ball a lot better than we did last year. We have had 3 20 win season since CAG has been at bama how many times did CMG do that in the 11yrs he was here. My thing is just say it you don't want him as our coach and it has nothing to do with the type of offense he run.

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    cjrolltide75

  • We are shooting overall worse than last year. Once again you are only looking at 3 pt percentage. Actually over the last 15 games are 3 pt % is around 26%. Overall FG is down from .452 to .429. Scoring from last year is down 65 ppg to 63. Ft percentage is down. 3 pt. percentage is up from .289 to .322. 20 win seasons in the SEC currently aren't a great indicator of team success. 12 wins now to 12 wins when Gottfried was coach in the SEC are completely different. If you take off the blinders and look at it objectively. When you are 2nd in the SEC and by almost every standard you aren't even in the talks of the Top 50 teams in the country then you know how bad this league is.

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    IvoryTusk

  • Be careful with facts, some posters on here prefer hate and information only from bubble!

    ConstantCrimson

  • When CAG leaves Bama because of no fan support for him and the players we are gonna feel pretty silly. He has done a lot with this team

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    VinnyVega

  • So all 3 of Wimp's teams that you are comparing went to the tournament, when it had less teams making it....while Grant has 1 team that made it, with many more teams making the field in his era....yet somehow we are supposed to believe Grant has been better?

    Please explain

    This post was edited by Fogtown on 3/3/2013 at 5:39 PM

    Fogtown ●

  • Why only compare year 4 instead of comparing the first 4 of marks to Anthony's first 4? Oh yeah caus that doesn't fit your agenda.

    scottchap

  • IvoryTusk said...

    Yep, oh and Gottfried was way better in year 4 than Grant. 2 seed, SEC title, playing against vastly superior teams.

    I don't care to judge based on previous coaches. I rate a coach on what he has done. 4 years, one NIT, and one NCAA with no victories. Bubble team this year with some games left to play. Also for bubble teams its way easier than it was to get to the tourney with 4 extra slots available. Offense getting worse every year. Defense the same for year 1 to 4.

    Why only compare year 4 instead of comparing the first 4 of marks to Anthony's first 4? Oh yeah caus that doesn't fit your agenda.

    Why In every thread is he result of year 4 the watershed year? Why is everything done before year 4 irrelevant and only the results of year 4 important?

    It's not like this has been a horrific season. It's disappointing but not a program on the skids type season.

    This post was edited by scottchap on 3/3/2013 at 5:46 PM

    scottchap

  • Fogtown said...

    So all 3 of Wimp's teams that you are comparing went to the tournament, when it had less teams making it....while Grant has 1 team that made it, with many more teams making the field in his era....yet somehow we are supposed to believe Grant has been better?

    Please explain

    Then listen up. We have more teams making it because the NCAA wanted to avoid law suits and appease the "Little Man". We have expanded the field to let more smaller colleges into the tournament. These spots are not for the larger D1 schools. Hopefully you learned something.

    jimtom27486

  • Ummmm, yes because only "small" teams are allowed on the bubble. 37 at large spots are for all teams not just those small teams. Where did come up with this insightful piece of info?

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  • IvoryTusk said...

    Yep, oh and Gottfried was way better in year 4 than Grant. 2 seed, SEC title, playing against vastly superior teams.

    I don't care to judge based on previous coaches. I rate a coach on what he has done. 4 years, one NIT, and one NCAA with no victories. Bubble team this year with some games left to play. Also for bubble teams its way easier than it was to get to the tourney with 4 extra slots available. Offense getting worse every year. Defense the same for year 1 to 4.

    Wrong, CMG was 24-22 yr2-4 for winning % .522 & as you pointed out, that includes CMG's "best ever SEC finish in yr4" but thanks for proving my point.

    You choose CMG's best yr ever to compare one season to the injury riddled, sophomore-centric (Jacobs, Lacey, Cooper & Randolph) CAG team with Obasohan & Pollard in their 1st season but refuse to admit those 6 guys make us s young team and you still lose in the original comparison period I gave. NICE FAIL but as I said, you've made up your mind & refuse to listen to reason & facts.

    Thanks for being a fair-weather fan! You can argue til you're blue in the face but the fact that the AD & majority of our fans know CAG has earned more time means you're in the minority (albeit, a vocal one on BOL) & ultimately on the losing side of this argument.

    I said my peace, carry on with your hating of my team and my coach! With fans like you, who needs Auburn ;-)

    Tide411

  • Tide411 said...

    Wrong, CMG was 24-22 yr2-4 for winning % .522 & as you pointed out, that includes CMG's "best ever SEC finish in yr4" but thanks for proving my point.

    You choose CMG's best yr ever to compare one season to the injury riddled, sophomore-centric (Jacobs, Lacey, Cooper & Randolph) CAG team with Obasohan & Pollard in their 1st season but refuse to admit those 6 guys make us s young team and you still lose in the original comparison period I gave. NICE FAIL but as I said, you've made up your mind & refuse to listen to reason & facts.

    Thanks for being a fair-weather fan! You can argue til you're blue in the face but the fact that the AD & majority of our fans know CAG has earned more time means you're in the minority (albeit, a vocal one on BOL) & ultimately on the losing side of this argument.

    I said my peace, carry on with your hating of my team and my coach! With fans like you, who needs Auburn ;-)

    Your right Tide I've changed my view Grant is the second coming of Coach K. Why he should be coach of the year for how he ha coached up those young guys. It's amazing, and the teams he has beat this year. My god has a coach ever had to go through such a brutal schedule. Fact is Grant is amazing. It's not his fault that we can't get to the tourney or win a game there. I say give the man a raise!!!! Alabama was such a horrible team before he got here that it will take at least 10 full recruiting classes to fix what Gottfried had done! I have seen the light, hallelujah!

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    IvoryTusk

  • jimtom27486 said...

    Then listen up. We have more teams making it because the NCAA wanted to avoid law suits and appease the "Little Man". We have expanded the field to let more smaller colleges into the tournament. These spots are not for the larger D1 schools. Hopefully you learned something.

    Hmm, last year's 4 last at large bids, BYU (small conference, not considered a small school), Iona (small school), South Florida (big East School), and California (PAC12 school)

    I know the selling point the NCAA used for expanding the tourney was to appease the "Little Man" but in actuallity the "Little Man" was taking up to many of the NCAA spots that used to go to big schools or big conferences the past 5 or 6 years so the NCAA expanded the field so more of the bigger schools would get bids.

    Watch what the NCAA does, not what it says.

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  • IvoryTusk said...

    Your right Tide I've changed my view Grant is the second coming of Coach K. Why he should be coach of the year for how he ha coached up those young guys. It's amazing, and the teams he has beat this year. My god has a coach ever had to go through such a brutal schedule. Fact is Grant is amazing. It's not his fault that we can't get to the tourney or win a game there. I say give the man a raise!!!! Alabama was such a horrible team before he got here that it will take at least 10 full recruiting classes to fix what Gottfried had done! I have seen the light, hallelujah!

    Now I see the problem with your perspective. Everything is either hot or cold with you. It's either great and best ever or fire the guy.

    The rest of us can see that while not perfect we shouldn't be firing our coach.

    scottchap

  • Grant is amazing. If he makes the tourney next year give him 2.9 mill. We have improved every year under him!

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    IvoryTusk

  • IvoryTusk said...

    We are shooting overall worse than last year. Once again you are only looking at 3 pt percentage. Actually over the last 15 games are 3 pt % is around 26%. Overall FG is down from .452 to .429. Scoring from last year is down 65 ppg to 63. Ft percentage is down. 3 pt. percentage is up from .289 to .322. 20 win seasons in the SEC currently aren't a great indicator of team success. 12 wins now to 12 wins when Gottfried was coach in the SEC are completely different. If you take off the blinders and look at it objectively. When you are 2nd in the SEC and by almost every standard you aren't even in the talks of the Top 50 teams in the country then you know how bad this league is.

    Its not different hater. You play them games you are scheduled. You cannot control how good the opposition is going to be from year to year. So YOU get off of that bullshit. The man is winning games irrespective your competition argument. Hell, the rest of college basketball is down because some teams are not as talented as some of their school's prior teams.

    All of you are just haters and don't understand a damn thing about what's going on and refuse to see the realities of our basketball program inherited by CAG during this time period.

    Yes, we can be better. We will be better. Why don't some of you great critics and love-seat sofa coaches apply for a job at ANY D-1 university. Get hired and show us what you got. If you are not capable of doing that, why don't you go sire some offspring with the genetic makeup to provide us with some BAMA loving skilled big men and dead-on sharp shooters and deft point guards.

    You keep throwing out numbers. You can make numbers say what you want. But, at the end of the day, the ONLY numbers that really matters are the W-Ls. When we win a defensive battle in football, we run around thumping our chests. When we win a football game, despite being bested in most statistical categories, we tell the other school's fans BUT WE WON where it counts.

    ***Can you say forked-tongue? Double-standards? Wolf in sheep's clothing? Hoodied one? Hater?

    Just ridiculous nonsense with some of these anti-CAG folks...

    As a CAG supporter, I am the first to say that WE need to get MUCH better. I EXPECT that he will recruit, develop, retain and graduate better basketball players, men and students. I EXPECT a basketball program that WINS big games and advances into the 2nd and 3rd weekends of the NCAA tournament.

    However, I do NOT look at where our basketball program is in a vacuum. We will get there with CAG or we won't. If he is not doing the things that keeps the program moving forward, he will be sent packing. The administration, CAG, players and overall basketball program NEED all of the haters and bandwagon fans to take your NEGATIVE energy and convert it to positive energy and let it reign on the players at the games and in the streets. Help create an atmosphere that will assist CAG in convincing top recruits to trust him with their careers. If better talent comes to the Capstone that is further advanced in their skills and play-making, we will win consistently and keep a pipeline of players that want to continue to attend the University of Alabama and create a legacy and culture comparable to the football program.

    Get on your job and off of your negative nanny soap-box!

    DISCLAIMER: IvoryTusk most of this is not necessarily directed at you.

    BoomsMD

  • Lost me when you compared Wimp to Bryant. Sorry, that's going a little too far.

    bamamba1989 ●

  • It am what it am: half-full RTR!

    JonBart

  • So now it's negative to point out facts! Got it! Sunshine pumping from now on. I won't bring up any numbers that show our continued spiral or lack of quality wins. I will always say wait till next year when someone negative comes along. I will rejoice in being a marginal bubble team!

    Guys you think I hate Grant, I don't. I hate not improving. I cheer for us in all of our games, I just don't see things through crimson colored glasses! I see one win in 4 years over a legit top 25 team. Sorry I don't count the Michigan win in his first year, that team finished 15-17, and was not the #15 ranked team in the country. In contrast with Gottfried's last 4 years when we said we were in a steep decline, we had 7 top 25 victories in that span, and I thought he should have been canned too! Yes I'm glad we have gotten to 20 wins, but in all honesty people have a hard time remembering a big win over a good team.

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    IvoryTusk

  • Tide411 said...

    All you unrealistic bball fans, need to face facts. We have had significant injuries, defections of big men not willing to buy-in and other legitimate reasons to struggle yet CAG is still producing. Wimp Sanderson is to Alabama basketball what Bear Bryant is to football, the Gold Standard.

    In years 2,3 & 4. Wimp had a great SEC record of 10-8, 10-8 & 8-10. 28-26 for a Winning percentage of .519. Over the same period, with much more turmoil from "me before team" player attitudes, CAG has gone: 12-4, 9-7 & 11-5 (to this pt, granted Wimp had 18 game sched compared to 16 & we move back to 18 this yr). So, CAG is 32-16 with a winning % of .667 but please don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.

    I'm sure I'll get downvoted & que the SEC is weaker now. Funny how we are supposed to listen to your excuses but mine are considered "illegitimate". How about we forget all excuses and just compare records.

    If you watched us play yesterday, in one of the toughest environments on the rd, in arguably a Final 4 caliber team's house, in a must-win situation for them with serious post-season & Tourny seeding on the line immediately after being upset at TN and saw the heart and effort these kids gave, with Cooper at 6'5" guarding a 6'10" deadly shooter & giving them all they wanted with a less talented roster & yet, you still refuse to give CAG any credit, you're officially hopeless & impossible to reason with.

    99% of the naysayers refuse to acknowledge any facts contrary to their opinion. Luckily, our AD is much more realistic while also demanding improvement. Given our recent basketball history, to fire Grant now would be idiotic. If you agree he has at least earned more time, then please just shut-up & come out to support our Team & these great kids. ROLL TIDE!!!

    Yeah that's great but I'd rather look at what Grant has accomplished overall instead of what his record in a putrid SEC is so...he will miss the tournament this year which will mean he has made the tourney only 1 time in his 4 seasons. In that tournament, he won zero games. Where are his big wins? I can't think of any big time victories off the top of my head...I'm talking all 4 seasons here. The home win over Kentucky a couple of seasons ago is probably it and they were very young and inexperienced at the time and went 10-6 in the SEC. That was a good, not great win though and I think it's his best one.

    That and zero tourney wins with only 1 appearance isn't getting the job done.

    HADOUKEN

  • My problem with the CAG is that his team plays with the same personality as he has, and I mean that we dont really have one. The demeanor of CAG rarely changes. His facial expression almost never changes that I can tell and this team plays with no identity on the offensive end and that hasnt improved since he got here and its obvious that the players are not in top condition. It was the same story in year one when we had Anthony Brock at the point and we would run out of gas at the 30 minute mark every game then too. The conditioning has got to improve! He needs to get to the NIT this year and make a run and get this young team some post-season experience. Then whip them into shape over the offseason and we could make some noise next year and the year after if recruiting stays on the upswing.

    Gottaluvthetide

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