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Jesus there are literally some of the dumbest people on this board. How some of you made it through your childhood simply amazes me.

Well since I graduated with Ronald from JC I spoke with him during his time at Bama. Ronald would say repeatedly that his knees hurt and he didn't think he should play. Well mark gotsh!t would tell Ronald too bad we need you to play. So Ronald would play.

Gotsh!t rode Ron like a retented mule and when Ronald would say his knees hurt he shouldn't play mark still made him play.

He literally wore Ronald's knees out by playing him so much. So before anyone on this board even attempts to defend that pathetic excuse for a person why don't you actually learn something about what actually happened before running your collective mouths.

That's what really happened. I am still friends with Ronald to this day and he is doing excellent overseas despite having his knee issues. Thanks for asking.

Oh and your downvotes are really cutting me deep. SurruslySurrusly

How about the rumors of Gottfried and Ron's girlfriend? Was there truth to that or not? Since you are friends with Ron, then no doubt you can answer this one and put it to rest. TIA

Ivory tusk: no flame but why do you support CMG so much?

I don't support him I hate people attacking and acting like he caused Ron harm when every single person on the medical staff cleared him. Coaches have to rely on a medical staff, it's not their job to judge medical issues as well it shouldn't be. I will attack arguments that are flawed logically if they don't make sense. What's wrong in actually stating facts. If Ron was mistreated medically then he would had a case against UA but even Steeles family felt so confident in that medical staff that they allowed their other son to play for them. The same people that cleared Ron sit on CAG's bench and they would never allow a kid harm, or allow a coach to harm a kid by playing him. They all missed the diagnosis because it was extremely tough. Even Dr. Andrews missed it.

Actually if you go back and look at my posts I said he deserved to get fired for his last few seasons. However I don't like people coming up with illogical statements about it. I will defend part of his performance because we did have good seasons under him, but if you point that out you get attacked on here. I find that some people on here seem to only remember the bad things people do, and never the good. I also find it funny that so many think he wouldn't win again. Coaches grow and learn in this profession, by nature you get better over time. Grant has had his shortcomings in areas, but trust me he is learning and growing as well. He is a former Bama player and Coach. We never had a NCAA violation under him, he graduated his players, and we had success at times. He wasn't able to sustain that success and had other problems like road wins and loss of fan support that led to his firing, and it was deserved. But I don't hate a person for lack of success. Coach Moody was our greatest woman's coach ever, but his last 5 years he was horrible and was fired because of it. So should I now hate him for it? I don't hate former coaches just because we lose, and I don't care about their off court personal issues because I feel that a person has a right to their private life and I have no basis to judge someone. I like CAG and feel we are turning in the right direction, but that doesn't mean that I can't cheer for a former coach to change and grow as a coach and to be successful. I cheer for Shula too and hope him the best as well.

Hit the nail on the head. We have a passionate fan base and I don't mind the anger aimed at people who really stabbed our program in the back. People are going to go after Gottfried on off the court issues because he is back to having success on the court. But don't think for a minute that they wouldn't be on here looking for something else if those rumors weren't out there. Shula was a model citizen and people on this board hate him. why? Because he didn't win titles and we had some tough years under him. He wasn't ready for this job but it doesn't mean we should hate him. The guy did his best. Gottfried is a very good basketball coach who lost his way for a few years. He has bounced back and I think it's great. I wish him nothing but the best.

So I have one question, you ask why I defend an argument. Here is my question, why do people get upset if I have a differing opinion and post? But people who post attacking and hating him can post all they want and you don't seem to have a problem with that. How many people have you gotten unto on the message board for starting Mark Gottfried rants. You can go back through all of my 373 posts and I have never once started a thread on the subject at all. I post when I see illogical posts, and I have never made excuses for him, I have stated facts about the profession. I have always stated facts about his record, his offense and his defense. I have always stated facts about his road record, and his successes and failures. Why is it alright to always post rants about hating him, but it's not alright for a person to post and say to him good luck?

Hahah! Theta at least your consistent!

Because I don't feel the lazy argument is true, and it's inherently illogical. Lazy implies that he stopped going to practice, showed up to work late, didn't show up at meetings, etc. I feel that there are thousands of small factors that lead to success and failure, and just saying he was lazy doesn't make sense. Most people who get to Million dollar salaries in life are generally not lazy.

I have always felt that people never look at factors that do affect teams. It's not lazy if you still have the same gameplan, and have the same practice plan, but it is a bad coaching decision if you evaluate assistant coaches and make bad hires. There were 2-3 assistant hires that were very poor that led to problems on the staff. Notable Eugene Harris, etc. I don't attribute that to being lazy just being a poor evaluator of coaching talent at that time. Same thing can be said for recruiting misses. I think the one recruit in the end that was extremely overvalued was Pickett. We had several major misses at the PG position that led to problems on the team, and I also felt that he did not correctly evaluate Torrance as he pushed him more as a SG and should have had him at PG all the time (Note he later corrected that mistake in a situation at NCSU were he correctly moved Lorenzo Brown to PG from SG starting this year). We also had several injury factors that played into that 3 year span as well. Losing Chuck Davis was huge, but also Steele's knee injuries directly led to many losses after the NCAA tourney run. I think he also had evaluated some guys as leaders who turned out to not be suited for the role and this effected the team as well.

I could go on and on, but I get passionate because I don't like people saying he was lazy or complacent because it really paints a poor picture of what can happen to a team and what factors lead to winning or losing. Painting in broad strokes is never good in my mind, so if I see a general statement I attack it, unless it's backed up with facts and takes a look at lots of factors.

In football it's much easier to cover a bad hire with so many people on staff. In basketball one or two bad hires can be a death of a program in certain areas. Roll Tide as well and hope you are watching one of the ugliest games ever in Cincinnati and FSU.

Now I know why you were posting so much.. If you watch that for to long you stab your own eyes out!