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I am no insider, but from what i have read on here and what i have seen on film, is Henry our 3rd best rb commit this year? I have told some of my freinds that r bama fans, not necessarily knowledgeable fans lol, that he is the 3rd best RB in this class. A lot of people that dont follow this site and just watch ESPN think he is the 2nd coming of TRich because they saw on tv where he broke the national record and blah blah blah. I know Tyren is the real deal, but AT has not been talked about much this year. Thoughts?
I really look at them like 1a, 1b, 1c... I think they all have different styles and can be used in many different situations.
Tyren might be the best all around... but i know i want a combo of Henry/Tenpenny on 4th and goal
They are all different type RBs. I think DH will see the field more as a Freshman than the other two. However I would not be surprised to see Yeldon and Jones as a 1-2 punch. (Yes i know Drake is there, but im not sure about him just yet) Derrick Henry IMO will bring back the wildcat formation, and i think Tenpenny will need a year and will be redshirted. I know Fowler will play, but i think he may be put back in FB role more oftern if he comes back healthy. Dee Hart is a huge question mark here, i know he is very elusive and is a change up is size/speed, but i just dont know where he fits in right now.
I think Henry will surprised some people this spring. He has a huge chip on his shoulder, and coming in early gives him a huge advantage entering next year.
Give Henry one full year in our program. From what I have read he has a bit of a "soft" (and I say that very loosely) 245lb frame - meaning he could get up to 250+ pretty easily and be pure muscle... If he can keep RB speed at that size, then the SEC is in big trouble.
Don't understand how the guy can have a soft frame. & carry the ball as much as he did?
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Henry looks soft because of how smooth he is able to do things on the field, he is able to refrain from contact very well, but when he is challenged he is able to use his frame to push the pile. I am not worried about his frame as i am his balance and feet in the hole. I know many hate this comparison, but he reminds me of how Cam took a hit, he always is able to absorb the hit and push forward.
This post was edited by Jos Mit 16 months ago
No. Henry will be the best of the class. That dude is the truth. The only concern I have is how many carries his body has already had.
I've seen Herny play, and he is an altered beast.
Question.. What makes you unsure about Drake to this point?? Not flaming, just curious.. I know the rumor was he was having trouble with picking up the blocking assignments and fumbled a little bit, but who knows.. I think he can be pretty darn good.. Great speed, quickness, and vision.. He's going to keep getting stronger in our program.. Everyone has their flaws.. Just curious what you thought..
Strength between the tackles tbh. I know he has a nact (sp) for getting the edge on someone, but im just not sure about him between the tackles and taking a handoff from under center. I could be way wrong and he could have great balance and power between the tackles, but i just haven't seen it. (I'm not saying Drake is not a good RB, but from what I have seen he not your every down back, between the tackles, type Alabama RB just yet)
Just the Three-Headed RB Monster, folks. I pity the poor DC who has to figure out how to stop them all. Pitiful, Sick, Wicked and just down-right Nasty. SEC, watch out! That is all.....RTR!
I can agree with that.. We haven't really seen him get too many carries inside to this point.. I think that TJ is probably a good bit stronger than him at right now.. Eddie and TJ have really worn down defenses along with our O line and by the time Drake comes in, the opposing D is gassed and they let Drake try and out run them.. Like I said I think he'll get stronger in our S&C program, but we'll see how his style develops as he progresses.. You make a good point, though..
You'd be "really" surprised as to what the statistical analysis shows as to which size RB is most effective in short yardage situations.
Excerpt (article is linked) from an in-depth statistical analysis of 20 year years of NFL Rushing Statistics (1991-2010):
"Height in excess of 69 inches is a disadvantage for running backs, including in short-yardage rushing situations."
FYI....Tyren is 5'9", 205 while Tenpenny is 5'11", 212. Based on my background in Powerlifting/S&C......the thicker, higher BMI person [when they are this close in height weight] is usually stronger.
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This post was edited by BamaBornDukie 16 months ago
"You must show no mercy nor have any belief whatsoever in how others judge you, for your GREATNESS will silence them all." -ULTIMATE WARRIOR
Henry is a great athlete but reminds me a bit of Jamie Harper in the way he is athletic but somewhat soft for his size. I like jones the best by far. I think a move to h back would be good for Henry but that's another subject
Im just going off an article I read about him mid-season and how he could easily firm up some of his weight and add muscle without actually getting bigger... probably a statement that is true for most high school kids
I watched a sports science type film several years back on Jerome Bettis and how his lower center of gravity made him a much more powerful back.. Not sure what his BMI is/was, but I'm sure it had a lot to do with it.. I don't remember them bringing it up in the film.. Thoughts??
Weird thing is the linked article says that Bettis [in comparison to 5'9", 215 pound Emmitt Smith] was not that great of a short yardage runner.
I'd have to get more data to really comment as Sports Science seems to contradict the research which is the most comprehensive I've ever seen in terms of analyzing how height/weight [BMI] impacts RB performance.
The article states that 5'9" (Mark and Trent were both officically 5'9" at the Combine) is the ideal, optimal height but not the only height at which a RB can be very successful. I've stated several times before that I think the issue with taller RBs is that they have more surface area to hit and thus take more punishment over their careers. Hence, they aren't as durable and don't compile the career stats like the NFL Top 3 All-Time Rushers in Emmitt Smith (5'9", 215), Walter Payton (5'10", 200), and Barry Sanders (5'8", 203). It'll be interesting to see if Adrian Peterson can remain healthy enough to make a run at the top 3. However, I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Ray Rice (5'8", 212) or Frank Gore (5'9", 217) ends up with more career rushing yards than Peterson due to long-term durability as I really think Peterson will hit the wall in 2-3 years due to his running style.
The show to which I was referring was before the "sports science" that ESPN has been doing for the past several years.. This was about 10 years ago.. I'm sure the mindset has changed from what it was that long ago.. Was BMI even a big deal back then?? Bettis played at 5-11 255 pounds.. Had he been 5-9 245 or so, do you think he would have been an even better back than he already was, or do you think it would have only improved his short yardage production?? I honestly can't remember how good, or not, he was in the short yardage situations..
I added a video of JB running from around the 5.. I know it's only one video, but he looked pretty good running over Brian Urlacher lol.. Just wanted your opinion and critique of the run/running style..
Steelers great Jerome Bettis runs down Brian Urlacher of the Chicago Bears. This one short run shows why Bus was one of the otughest guys to tackle...
This post was edited by RTRBB 16 months ago
FWIW, CJP told my brother who is a high school coach that as good as Yeldon has been he's not sure that Drake wouldn't be ahead of him if he had been here for the spring. I lived in Atlanta for 8 years and saw him many times and have been extremely high on him before he ever committed to us but this still surprised me. I am no talent evaluator by any stretch but Tyren Jones is the real deal and probably the most complete back in this class. By the way my brother coached 2 Al mMr Football's, and 3 5A player' of the year.
BMI probably wasn't really that big of a deal back then in terms of evaluations of RBs. In terms of 5'9", 245 it's really hard to say if he would have been more effective as he would gain & lose some attributes due to the size difference.
Example of differences that could happen if a RB gains/losses weight.
2011 Tyren Jones: 5'9", 190 (Heat3x can chime in if he reads this as to whether this weight is accurate)
The "slippery-est" High School RB I've seen in person in terms of agility and foot quickness. He was like Whodini as guys had a hard time even touching him much less laying a good lick on him.
2012: Tyren Jones 5'9", 205
Still extremely agile and shifty but not quite as elusive as he was in 2011 at 190. Speed/burst may have actually improved even though he gained 15 pounds and he's much more of a "bull", physical, punishing RB that makes DBs not want to tackle him.
Drake is the "truth". Saw him play several times in high school as well. He is probably the fastest RB, especially in terms of long-speed as he beat Tyren each time they raced at 100m & 200m in Spring 2011 & Spring 2012.
I think the key for him is to get stronger, more stout as he's close to 6'1", 206 which means his BMI is ~26.9. Seems that BMI in the 30.0 to 31.9 is ideal for RBs. If he's really 6'1", he'd need to get up to around 228 to get to 30.0 BMI. If he's 6'0", then about 221 pounds. I think as he gets stronger he will be better between the tackles and as a blocker. The question is whether he can maintain his speed and agility as he gets bigger.
Drake is LEGIT!
Once Tyren adds the best of both worlds he will excel in our system. Future of Alabama as a pure RB, and im sure you agree. But a question about Tyren....Do you think he has reached his true height and weight at 5'9 205? Or do you think he can add weight (good weight that is) and will he gain more height (not such a good thing sometimes)
This sums up exactly what i was trying to say....thanks BBD
Heat3x can speak on it more as he's like Tyren's uncle [although I think he and Tyren's dad are best friends due to their kids running track together, etc].
I'd fathom he's probably at his max height as his mom is probably 5'3"-5'4" and his dad is about his height, 5'9". Again, Heat3x can comment more but I think he's the same height now as he was about 16 months ago when I saw him in person for the 1st time...so I think he's done getting taller. In terms of his weight, he'll probably be 212-215 by 2013 Fall Camp. I think he'd be good at that size (ie. Emmitt Smith, Mark Ingram and Doug Martin are all 5'9", 215).
He could get bigger and may get up to 220-25......as he has a thick, "pit-bull" type build. However, I think more than 215-218 could be more detrimental than good.
His dad is a training guru and knows Tyren's body better than anyone. We've spoken about how he trained Tyren when he was younger and based on what he told me, I think he has substantial room to get stronger [as he stated that he really didn't allow him to lift heavy when he was younger so as not to stunt his development while still maturing].
Again, Heat3x can comment better but I think Tyren is already benching in the 330 range and squatting in the 550s. Trent was a "super" strength guy and was benching 380 [which is crazy for a RB in high school] while weighing 219 at this same stage. So Tyren is very strong for a high school RB but can/will get stronger.
Trent Richardson... getting huge!
FYI....I think all 3 RBs bring a different skill-set and they will make each other better.
They will excel at different things....thus making our offense even more difficult to defend.
FYI...I know I'm greedy....but I want Alvin Kamara as well as he'd bring the Percy Harvin (RB/Slot WR) dimension with super explosive burst. He'd be a 4th skill-set and I think would fit nicely.
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