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Didn't we both play Tennessee? Yep!
It has been expressed to me that that game did not count and cannot be considered. South Carolina and even Kentucky are not eligible for consideration as well. Nor are our games against Arkansas, UT, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Michigan, whatever....
Once you eliminate 75% of the season in an arbitrary the way that is most favorable to UGA in a comparison analysis, you will see that the defensive production is very close but slightly in UA’s favor.
This post was edited by manbearpig7 17 months ago
Give me a break.
I am comparing the last 5 games of the year. Not sporadically picking 5 games from the year. The games that are most relevant and most closely associated with the team that will play on Saturday.
They played four games this year without 2 of their best defensive players and 2 without 4 starters on D.
If I were just picking their best games from throughout the year then I would agree with your sentiment.
As far as the schedule goes...you are the one that brought it up. I just mentioned the fact that we played one top offense and 4 bad offenses. You tried to make it sound like UGA faced much less offensive teams. Which wasnt true. Like I said, I didn't bring it up initially b/c I didn't think it was important. However, you made the point that Bama was facing better O's. Which just wasn't true.
I just happen to believe that overall statistics from the first half of the season that consist of numbers without 4 starters for 2 games and 2 starters for 4 ggames (which happen to be their 3rd and 4th best players on D) is not as indicative as a 5 game stretch that leads up to our game. Not games that happened 3 months ago where they had a walkon starting in the secondary and their best WR getting practice reps.
It's absolutely true....Texas A&M is the best offensive team in the SEC by a HUGE margin. LSU came on the second half of the year. Your entire point is around UGA playing better in the second half of the year but you know so are LSU and A&M. Mississippi State sucks but collectively that trio is absolutely better then Ole Miss, UF, and Georgia Tech.
But I am sick of arguing with you about this. I think we have a better front seven, you gave them the edge. Both of us have made our points. Obviously I think my argument is stronger and you disagree.
good breakdown. Our boys better come out Focused and Hungry-from the get-go.
We need to play mistake free and win the turnover battle.
I am comparing that b/c it is the last 5 games we both have played. Games that I feel are most relevant. Call me crazy but I think the way a team has played the last 5 weeks is more indicative of the team than the team that played 3 months ago.
Teams get better during the year. Some improve more than others. I just happen to believe when you can start an NFL draft pick (Rambo) at safety instead of a walk on like UGA did it makes your team better. I also believe the more a team plays together the better they get. I also believe Jenkins starting is helping their team whereas he wasnt the first few games.
They essentially have 5 different starters starting Saturday than they did the first few games of the year. Call me crazy but I think that makes a difference in the overall D.
I'll say it again. I did not say they were better than our D. That doesn't mean they aren't good. As stated, they have a better ypc avg against the run than LSU.
I've been reading along with these arguments. When you boil it all down, Bama and UGA have each played two good football teams this year. We are each 1-1 in those games. UGA had a blowout loss on the road and a narrow win. We had an ugly loss at home and a narrow win on the road. I'm not convinced we truly know what either team is really made of at this point. Just my two cents.
Please read my posts. I have stated I think we have a better front 7. That's probably the issue. I am debating with someon that is not even reading what I am posting. Maybe I'll have to say that again too, we have a better front 7.
Got it so Kentucky is excluded because you just feel that's irrelevant even though obviously Rambo and Jenkins and Ogletree and everybody else played against Kentucky and Tennessee and South Carolina. I am sure that your five game threshold had nothing to do with the fact that the sixth, seventh and eighth games in your analysis would be Kentucky, South Carolina and Tennessee and completely destroy your argument?
But even as I parse out your data which I believe to be highly skewed, we still come out marginally ahead. I don't know know why we keep doing this.
The reason UGA has a better YPC than LSU is because LSU has played A&M and UA who average a full yard more per carry than the next best team in the conference. Plus I don't think that's relevant as UA went for more than 7 yards per carry against LSU.
Here is where I interpreted you to be saying you would give them an edge. You started talking about the front seven but then talked about the schedule of the last five games. Maybe I misunderstood but i didn't see you say that we had a better front seven.
“Overall I would give them an edge if I have to but didn't mention it in my original post b/c I thought it was irrelevant but considering you brought it up I thought I should address it.”
Couldn't have said it better. I'll add that you must compare strength of schedule to any analysis. Bama's Sagarin ratings are way ahead of Georgia. UGA played pretty bad against their two highest ranked opponents this season. Florida turned the ball over 6 times and USCe shut them down. Not buying that their D is better than Bama's. That's a real stretch. Also, I am convinced that LSU and A&M are pound for pound better than Georgia. Bama played below their capabilities in both of those games and won one and had the chance to win the other.
This post was edited by BamaTrending 17 months ago
Actually Ken and USC only avged about 350 yards b/t the two of them so the total yards per game would only be slightly different.
I am using the last 5 games b/c that is when I seen the UGA team make a change in performance. Does the team they played make a difference? Absolutely.
I still believe the most recent games are most representative of a team playing than what they did the first half of the year with 4 defensive starters out. Call me crazy.
That is referring to the last 5 games and comparing the offenses. Like I said, I did not believe there was enough difference in the last 5 games to say anything about the schedule. They were very closely related in offensive numbers that the defenses faced.
I'm still looking for the one person in this thread that said UGA's D was better.
You have them with the edge in two of the three major components of the Defense . . . But you're saying Bama is better?
Defensive line - edge: Georgia
Both teams have really tough NTs and rotate a lot of players, and Georgia is probably a tad deeper here. It will be interesting to see if Georgia continues to use Geathers and Jenkins together at the same time to get bigger and tougher up front against a great Bama OL.
Linebackers - edge: Georgia
But not as lopsided as Bacarri Rambo probably thinks. Jarvis Jones and Alec Ogletree are athletic, great players, and obviously the Tide will have to account for where #29 is at all times. He's been a game changer. Bama counters with a rotation of CJ, Nico and DePriest inside, depending on formations. Tons of big-game experience there. Which unit will hold up better against the other's OL, though? The Tide will need a great game from Hubbard.
Secondary - edge: Even
Dee Milliner will be the best corner on the field. Rambo is a head-hunter. Robert Lester is a 3-yr starter. Bama's secondary was "exposed," some say, against LSU and aTm. Both QBs had the games of their lives, and Manziel does things Murray can't do. The Tide is not as elite as a unit as they were last year, but much better than they showed in those two games. This matchup - against Georgia's WRs - is going to be even IMO.
You and I both know that if you consider UT, Mizzou and Ole Miss for us; and then by extension South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky for them. Then the comparison analysis goes from somewhat close to laughable. You have proven resourceful and creative in your ability to argue but there simply is no way you can argue the point I just made.
You are using the last five games because it's the best sample you have that can be reasonably defended.
What post do you think I was originally responding to and why?
I will give you a hint, it's at the top of the page.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by manbearpig7 17 months ago
Think what you want. When I originally made the point to you a few days ago about UGA's rush defense improving I didn't even know what their numbers were. I didn't even look at them until you brought it up in that thread. You said they were soft up the middle and I said a team that has a first or second round player at NT and MLB does not equal soft IMO. Thta was based solely on watching the games. Something that isn't hard to see if you watched the Dawgs at the beginning of the year.
I am going strictly by the eyeball test. The yards just happen to coincide with what I seen on the field the last 5 games Just look at their first 5 games and their opponents and how they stack up to the teams they played the last 5 games. The first 5 teams aren't near as good as the last 5 yet the first four avged 100 yds more a game. They only played one team that won more than 4 games and still gave up 20 a game and almost 400 ypg. Compare that to their last 5. They played 4 teams with winning records and gave up half of that a game. That is all I've been saying. You said that the numbers aren't close when looking at the season (and I agree). All I said was that the season statistics are not indicative of what UGA's defense is today. Anyone that watched them knows that changed after the Kentucky game.
I took his post as looking directly as personnel. Not neccessarily the front 7 as a whole.
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