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Haha. Ok buddy.
I suppose it's possible that we could have a worse DL and worse LBs and even coaching but a better front seven overall. And an even secondary to go with the worse front seven makes for a better defense.
I suppose that's another tremendous reach on my part to go with my statistics. I can't believe I made such an insane conclusion!
This is ridiculous. I am dropping it. Last response in this thread.
This post was edited by manbearpig7 20 months ago
At least you don't overeact.
Never said your conclusions were insane or ridiculous. I also never said you reached on anything. Just said there was more to it than looking at the whole season. Their statistiics are much better against better teams at the end of the year than they were against lesser teams at the beginning. That's easy to see IMO.
The OP made it a point to state the reason he was giving UGA the edge was b/c it was Grantham vs Nuss. It had nothing to do with Saban and developing players or teaching assignments, or getting your guys to play as group.
Beings you are done with the post I will wrap of the conversation the way in which I viewed it.
1. We both agree that Bama has a better front 7
2. We both agree Bama wins handily
3. We both agree Bama has the better D
4. I believe UGA's D is better than their statistical average for the season: you don't.
5. I believe their D faired much better the second half of the season than it did the first: you don't.
As I stated in the this thread, BBD sums up my thoughts better than I could.
This post was edited by cwaters2 20 months ago
I have to give you +1 for including "We need to take a giant dump on them right off the bat" in a post. Well done.
Wow, this is amazing. You and myself think the same things every time I read your posts. Also been saying Bama by 10. But I went with 30-20.
“Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift of God, which is why we call it the present.”
My point in the entire thread was to say that it's very difficult to say they have a better front seven. Of course I agree that their D is better than the stastical average for the year and better in the last five games of the season (though I don't think Ole Miss, Auburn and a few triple option teams are great data points). I said so in basically my first post.
I am just saying that to say they have a better front seven (which I now know you didn't say but the OP almost certainly did) is difficult because even if you play with the data in exactly the way that is most beneficial to UGA, UA's front seven still performs slightly better against what I perceive to be better competition. I would discount earlier data but I wouldn't write it off completely. I think UA's front seven and overall D is better and I personally don't think it's that close but I do think it's closer than the entire year stat would indicate which would lean toward two units not even in the same ball park.
The state is the great fictitious entity by which every man believes he can live at the expense of every other. - Frédéric Bastiat
I'll agree that we have both played two good teams and we're obviously both one and one against those teams. However, I would not agree that we had an 'ugly loss' at home. Most pundits are calling A&M the hottest team in the country and their QB will likely win the Heisman. Two years ago Cam Newton was hailed as one of the best, if not the best, player in the history of college football. Well, Johnny Football accounted for more total yardage in 12 games than Cam could put up in 14. The guy is a bada$$ and he went off on us. At one point late in the third quarter, he was 21 for 23 passing (completion % of over 91%). Moreover, A&M played a nearly flawless game giving up no turnovers. Still we came within six feet of winning the game. If that's an ugly loss, I'd love to see what a quality loss looks like.
Likewise, LSU played a nearly flawless game against us as well with Mett doing his best Garcia impersonation and LSU giving up no turnovers. LSU was also riding a 22 game home winning streak and we played them at night with corn dog stadium registering earthquakes. Still we pulled that one out.
Now let's compare UGA's game vs USCe and UF against our games vs LSU and A&M. I would concede that Columbia is a tough place to play as well and USCe played a great game. But UGA did not lose by a single score (like we did against A&M). They were totally annihilated. UGA didn't even score until there was less than two minutes left in the game. So if you're comparing our losses, big advantage to Bama.
Now let's look at our win over a good team. As I mentioned earlier, LSU played a nearly perfect game at home, at night, and we still pulled the game out. Did Florida play a flawless game vs UGA? Nope, the gators turned it over six times in a total slopfest. So IMO, if you look closely at both teams' one and one record vs good teams, a clear advantage for Bama emerges. That's not to say that we'll blow them out or even win the game necessarily, but there is a reason we are a TD favorite.
CNS is better than all their coaches combined, then you add CKS and it is not even close. Love your posts but this one is laughable.
Their is a three game stretch for Georgia that is telling about their defense. Against Tennessee, South Carolina, and Kentucky, they gave up at least 200 yards in each game. They had all their personnel in those games and they played all four quarters until the final whistle. Bottom line, you can run the ball on Georgia.
I know, their defense "improved" over the last five games after Kentucky. But improvement is relative to competition. They held Florida, Ole Miss, and auburn under 100 on the ground. Then Tech and Southern put up over three hundred yards on them on the ground but they both run the option. As has been said before about uga, you can run the ball on them with some success. They have great individual players on defense but they don't have a great overall defense.
Also, great teams do not get blown out. Well coached teams do not quit. If you do it once, you will do it again. Georgia quit against South Carolina. They got punched in the mouth and they quit. Richt's teams have a tendency to do that especially in his recent history. They will not be prepared to, ready to, or be willing to play four quarters. In Saban's entire career, Alabama has never quit or been blown out. So you know that Alabama always comes to the game ready to play. Uga, as evidenced by the South Carolina game this year, does not. Alabama will win this game going away in the fourth quarter.
You'd take Saban over Kevin Sumlin I'm sure.
CNS - 3 BCS National Championships
CKS - 0 Championships of any kind
Also need to remember that UF's only offensive threat at the time was the running game. Driskel is doing better of late, but at the time their RB was all of their offensive production. UGA just had to stack the box because they knew Driskel couldn't throw a pass to Andre' the Giant accurately.
Plus UGA gave up 6 turnovers that game. Florida had to give it back to them with 5 of their own. We may turn the ball over, but we won't do it five times..
Make no mistake, this will not be an easy win. I just sort of see a team that is somewhere between a juggernaut and a paper tiger. Ironically, this is how I view UGA pretty much every year.
"Nobility is not a birth-right; it is defined by one's actions"
Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
And yet in one game, Sumlin out-coached & out-prepared Saban. It happens occasionally. With just one week to prepare, the coaching differences are minimized.
Whether or not this prediction is true remains to be seen, but the analysis is fantastic. Great post.
Something smells bad on the plains.
You lost me at the Lb's and Coaching. Rambo is top notch but that's it. Coaching is not close(and my crimson glasses are not on) . Our team is focused and ready. We win by 17+
"Theres No Substitute for Guts"
I haven't seen enough of Georgia to debate you on the rest of what you wrote, but I'm gonna have to disagree here.
Yes this UGA team is similar to the 08-09 Bama teams, BUT:
1. The 2009 Bama team had a singular focus all year long...get back to Atlanta and beat Florida.
2. The 2008 Bama team was close and let it slip away. The 2011 UGA team got demolished. Wasn't like they could even see the finish line.
3. This 2012 Bama team is NOTHING LIKE THE 2009 FLORIDA TEAM. The remarks made about both teams going into that game was how lose the Gators were and how Bama seemed tight and business like. If anything, this years UGA team resembles that 09 UF team more with their mouth running already early in the week. I think this Bama team will be a lot like the 2009 Bama team, they know what they have to do to get what they want and they'll approach this game with the same business like mentality.
That's my anyway.
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