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I was thinking this morning, did Bear and Saban make Bama great, or did Bama make Bear and Saban great? I'm sure this has been discussed before. We consistently won prior to both of these coaches arrival, but both coaches came at a time when the program was in the doldrums. However, both coaches had nearly instant success w/ both winning championships fairly early in their tenures. It should also be noted that both coaches were successful prior to coming to Bama (Saban probably more so than Bryant). In the end, the answer probably lies in the gray area between, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Bama had a pretty decent history prior to Bear's arrival, and had been one of the most dominant teams in the southeast, but Bear made us great. Post-Bear, we only had one championship in 30 years prior to Saban. So to say we consistently won is a bit misleading. We had a lot of .500 or sub-.500 years that were very forgettable and had us in the middle of the pack in the SEC and nationally. Now, we're at the top of both. So my answer to your question is without a doubt they made us great. We were average without them and phenomenal with them. If we made coaches great, then Dubose, Shula, and Bill Curry would be great.
Bear Bryant MADE "Bama great, Nick Saban is following the tradition and building on something of his on.
One thing you have to remember is that Curry, Perkins, Stallings, all had losing record as a head coach. They only had winning records at BAMA! Shula, Dubose didn't know what the hell they were doing as a head coach, and it showed big time. Fran, Price had winning records and we know what happened with Price, Fran won, but karma's a bitch! Coach Bryant and CNS are the only proven winner that we have hired in the modern era, meaning they would have won anywhere they coached and have, (collage only). I think its a two way street, Very good Coaches at a Very Good Program = Greatness! When CNS leaves one day if we will follow the formula of hiring the best head coach that we possibly can, It is very likely that we will continue this run. Hopefully CNS will be around for a long, long, time, because We have a poor track record in hiring the best coach we can!
History says Bama was already a top notch program. The Bear took it to another level and it appears Saban maybe taking it to even an Higher Level. Especially if he win 3rd National Championship in 4 Years. Never been done at Bama before. And looking at all the Recruits going to the NFL don't think I remember Bear putting that many players in the NFL in such a short time. We are living in the Best Times Bama has ever seen and with the Playoff System coming in to play 2 Years from now it may get even better..
Exactly. Without the foundation that Bama's tradition provides, Saban was "good" at MSU and "very good" at LSU. He is legendary at Bama. We are experiencing the golden age of Alabama football. Our dominance is even more impressive when you consider all the rules changes that have been implemented to try and level the playing field over the last 30 years. Can you imagine the types of recruiting classes we would have with unlimited scholarships?
Bama as a institution is great. Not because of, or for one individual. We all understand how important FB is to this state. The fans demands excellence from the president, so the president demands excellence from the AD. The AD then demands only the best from the coaching staff. Mediocrity is not tolerated. When all those parts are on the same page you get excellence. We have a LARGE and VOCAL fan base that spends $. With all the vital components working for the same goal, it's like having the best race car on the track. Nick Saban just happened to be the best driver available and we are the best car.
+1 to everyone.
Alabama is very good.
Bryant and Saban are great.
Combined, the best.
I would argue that it was a meeting of two giant storms, in both situations. Bama, with it's facilities, location, and fan passion, sets the stage to be a top notch program. With 2 great coaches in Bryant and Saban, the school became untouchable. Basically, they brought the best out in eachother (school & coach)
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