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I have a friend who taught several years ago at the Singapore American School. One of his students was the son of a American parents, the father an executive with a large American/international corporation. One night, the family received a call from the police. The call went something like this: "Mr. X, your son has been arrested for marijuana possession. You may come down to the police station, and we will release your son to you. No charges will be filed. There is a United Airlines flight leaving for Los Angeles at 8:00 tomorrow morning. You and your entire family will be on that flight. Your company can ship you household belongings home at a later date."
Imagine that. Parents being held responsible for their children's behavior. No doubt this father's career was seriously affected by the actions of his son.
We really have no stomach in this country for holding parents accountable for the actions of their kids...really, seriously accountable...but we damn sure want to hold a basketball coach accountable.
Basketball coaches have 13 players who come to them from all walks of life. In some cases, like with CAG, the coach doesn't get to select all those players...some are inherited. Within a few months, the coach is expected to mold these 13 kids...kids who initially are complete strangers to each other...into a cohesive, selfless unit, sometimes undoing the effects of 18 years of poverty, bad circumstances, jackass friends, and lousy or non-existent parents. Sometimes they are successful.
Sometimes kids make bad decisions along the way. Is making a bad decision an indication of poor character? Does the poor decision of using marijuana during the season indicate that a kid has poor character? The only way to judge that is to look at it in the context of the totality of a kid's behavior.
CAG was hired to turn the basketball program around and win basketball games. Has he done that? Only a fool would say that he hasn't. The three years before his arrival, the team went out in first round of the NIT, then missed the postseason completely in the next two years. Making the finals of the NIT last year stands on its own merit. In recruiting, CAG had the 5th ranked class last year. The three years before his arrival, Alabama's classes were ranked 13, 23, and unranked. And even if this season there is no NCAA appearance, one can't really assess season until we get past the next couple of seasons and see if 2011-12 was a step backward in an upward progression, or if it was the beginning of a slide downhill.
IMO, this team, and CAG, will be just fine. Will they make they NCAA tournament? Who knows? I think they will. But I don't think the success of this team will ultimately be measured in wins and losses or tournament appearances. CAG's latest class not only is loaded with talent, they also, by all accounts, seem to be great kids without issues. IMO, we may see a situation like the 2007 football team, where during preparation for the Independence Bowl, the undergraduates like A. Caldwell and R. Johnson by many accounts seized control of the team from the seniors. I think the success of his team will be measured by the degree to which the underclassmen seize control of the leadership of the team.
Immature, knee-jerk reactionaries quick to speak in ominous tones about CNG's future need to get a grip. Let's see how this most recent class performs after the problem upperclassmen are gone.
This post was edited by airharper 2 years ago
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This post would make sense if we were in Grant's first season, but we aren't. The comparisons to 2007 football need to stop. Sabin changed the culture in one season. Grant is in the middle of his third year.
I'm guessing that a post count of only 21, along with the inability to correctly spell Saban's name, is an indication of whether or not your a Bama fan or a troll.
But ok, I'll play along.
Do you have any idea how many football players have been arrested, suspended for bad decisions related to NCAA issues, or suspended for other team related issues, in years 3, 4, and 5 of Saban's tenure? And don't bother mentioning Aaron Douglass.
Why don't you go look it up and then get back to us.
Excellent post. By the way my wife has been a teacher for 27 years and she's expected to do the same thing CAG is with over 100 students. If they don't pass this stupid exam she's not good enough and they would like to hold back paying her any more money. Parents can call and complain and bash the teachers for every little thing. But where are the parents in all this. I tell you the truth the parents are sometimes worse than te kids. The teachers could deal with them if the parents would not threaten to sue them about mistreating their presious little angels. Any way I will get off my soapbox. Good teachers and coaches are really under appreciated in my opinion. I'm thankful for CAG and I hope we keep him. In time he will make us a contender each year. Let's give him the support he needs. I couldn't even watch our basketball team any more before he came because we were so undisciplined and did not play a lick of defense. Some people think we should be a basketball powerhouse. We may some day but Alabama will always be a football school first. I think Grant commited to come and make this program great and if we support him I think we have a chance. I haven't seen one thing from CAG that makes me not want to support him. The fact that he suspended those kids makes me want to support him more. Just like my wife he is on an island when it comes to parents and fan support. Luckily both my wife and CAG seem to have support from their peers and principles and school president. I donot understand why our legislature is undermining our teachers so much. Now they wwant to raid the education trust fund. My wife pays for supplies out of her pocket every single year because we will not fund our schools. But if one of her students decides they are just not going to try then this legislature want to process her out. If you only knew what a teacher has to go through you would be shocked. You get a Masters Degree and you make half of what you could in the private sector to put up with this? The most suprising thing to me is that my wife would never write something like this because she loves her kids and what she does for a living despite what our government is trying to do. Sorry for the long rant. RTR and support CAG. He has his hands full right now.
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We still need more players, and as of this point, we have no help coming in next season. Our progress to this point has been solid, but it feels like we're treading water this season.
You lost me at "Sabin."
This post makes a lot more sense than "Sabin".
Good stuff. Only time will tell how this plays out. Nothing to do except hope for the best.
"Quit trying to make a play and do your job!"
Let's be patient and let the year play out--I expect those who desire to develop some character and overcome this selfish behavior may still be returning eventually--those who remain punks who care less about their team mates will be gone--let the coaches and AD do their jobs before we throw in the towel or think we know better than them--wouldn't be surprised if CAG hasn't already asked CNS for advice in this situation.
1st off Singapore is insane. They will lock you up for being naked in your own house for christ sake(and will cane you). At least grant is taking care of this now instead of not at all.
I don't post that often because I don't have any inside info and don't feel the need to spout my opinion on every matter; however, I have been a member of BOL for over 9 years. The term troll didn't even exist when I joined.
My point about Saban is that it didn't take him 3 1/2 years to address the culture. He did it quickly. Grant has had a lot of time to deal with culture problems. This "set back" is an indication of his failure to do so. When the team loses because of that then he should share the responsibility.
My overall sentiment is that I'm ready for Bama to start mattering in basketball again. A bad end to this season for whatever reason makes that more difficult. That should fall on Grant's shoulders.
NO ONE wants accountability unless it's SOMEONE ELSES.
1960 Les Paul
nailed it, sf2k4, except you could probably put 1981 on the first one as easily. The generation gap that started then was the "don't punish", "don't spank", "I'm ok, you're ok, everybody's GREAT" generation...I hate what it's done to us. Except for those of us with kids in the military, all our kids are softer and less "accountable" because we all think they're supposed to be "great" because, well, by God, THEY DESERVE IT...
Sorry, I either fat fingered that or got auto corrected iPad.
I did "Youth Ministry" in the church for several years before going to just Music and then ultimately Pastor. I could always deal with the kids. My biggest headache in the youth ministry was the parents. Oh, the stories I could tell...
I am an old fart and agree completly. The kids are really no different than they ever have been, but the parents of way too many are really bad at what they do.
This is also the reason why all the teacher friends of mine, especially the good ones, are leaving that profession, and why there are so few entering it. It's not about the $$$$, it's about the awful, meddling, stupid parents, who view school as nothing more than "free babysitting"...or the ones who think THEIR kid is the one who never does anything wrong...OR the ones who KNOW their kid is the BEST IN THE WHOLE SCHOOL, even when they continually fail tests...OR the ones who try to get a teacher fired when the subject matter is "Too hard" and all the kids aren't making straight A's and being pandered to, etc...
Ugh...I have to deal with a small segment of that entitled parenthood every day, I can't imagine dealing with it almost exclusively...
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