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it's over the line. Go straight up and down from the first part of the goal line. That's in there.
Regarding the interception that wasn't...I did not discern any "bounce" as the ball presumably hit the ground. I heard somewhere (could have been NFL???) that the ground could not assist the catch. I believe the test is if the ball "bounces" as it strikes the ground. There was no bounce, as far as I could tell. In any event, it doesn't matter now.
That picture is not looking straight up the line so it's not conclusive. But it was very close.
This should be posted on the main blue board. So if you were able to find this pic, how was something similar not available for the revue?
Agreed, you simply cannot tell with that photo......the thing that pi$$ed me off was that the official that made the call was on the blind side of the play....no way he saw it.
This no call and the waved off PI because of the "ball being tipped" cost us a 14 point swing and kept GA in the game
Why do you think so? The only thing that is obvious from this shot is that it was taken from an angle instead of straight down the goal line. This photo doesn't show anything.
And remember that the linesman is straddling the goalline and has a better angle than the cameraman that took this photo.
After the fumble at the goalline early in the LSU game in 2008, which could have cost us the game, you would think that players would have learned the risk of sticking the ball out unprotected in a crowd. Saban preaches ball security. I understand that Lacy was trying to make every effort to score, and if this had been fourth down it would have been one thing, but this was lousy ball security on a second down play when no doubt we would have gotten in on 3rd or 4th down.
One thing no one has mentioned is that it has not yet been knocked out of his hands, and his arms are still not fully extended, so it actually probably got a little more toward the end zone than that picture shows.
Agree 100%. Funny how some people will say it definitely proves it was across the line even though it is taken at an angle.
And apparently someone doesn't agree with Saban's attitude toward ball security.
The above photo in itself doesn't prove call. However, it is reasonable to expect the parallax effect to bring the ball closer to the goal line as you decrease your angle of reference.
A buddy of mine performed a simple experiment using the grass/cement interface of the driveway as a substitute for the goal line - He got his son to hold a ball in similar position/angle and snapped a pic; the ball seems to just nudge the "plane" of the line. He then, while keeping the ball/goal line orientation identical, snapped a pic in parallel with the plane; the ball is clearly crossing it. (No, we aren't that nerdy, just a collaborative effort to troll a Barner buddy of ours.
Like most, I feel the real travesty is that we even have this discussion since, in this day of technology, we still don't have dedicated goal line cameras. But, given the easily replicated above scenario, it is at least interesting that the guy straddling the goal line wasn't able to make the call. (I would post the pics, but not a fan of sharing pics of another guy's kid without his permission.)
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The angle actually gives the illusion the ball is farther back than it is and even in this pic it's across the plane. If you could rotate this Frozen momen towards the line the ball would appear to move forward. There was no angle or anything that showed the ball in the ground. It would blocked by his arm just as the gurleys knee was blocked by a foot. You can say they probably touched but you can't see them on the ground. The ball did not change direction on the "tip" and that was clear yet the replay officials said it was inconclusive. All of those went against us.
The single biggest think I take away from all of this is wishing that players would be more disciplined when it comes to stretching out the ball. This was a second down play, and all Lacy needed to do was secure the ball, and we score a touchdown on either 3rd or 4th down. It reminded me of Earl Alexander's fumble on the first drive at LSU in 2008. He catches a pass for a 25 yard gain, tries to stretch out the ball at the goal line, and has it knocked out of his hands. He secures the ball, and we have first and goal at the LSU 1 yard line. Instead, we don't score at all, and it almost costs us the game.
There's a time and a place to do it. I understand that in the heat of the moment players are trying to make a play...not faulting them for that. If we could develop the mental discipline to know when it's called for and when it's not, that would help. It's a high risk play.
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