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Great game and couple quick thoughts ...

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  • Lucky

    Great thoughts.

    Question. When you say "... I disagree with you on talent level. I think we have enough talent level to win, ..." I think you need to define win. If you say, win 1 and no more than 2 games in the NCAA tournament. I would agree with you. That is the reason that a lot of the responsibility falls on Grant. If you say, elite 8 or deeper, I completely disagree.

    Truth is, Alabama was 1 or 2 plays away from an NCAA tournament bid. The level of success and failure they are playing with/at means a couple bounces is the difference between making the tournament, winning a game and being seeded #1 in the NIT. I agree this team and especially coaching staff "underachieved" when measuring the whole, but my point is because of the lack of talent and basketball skills, they didn't underachieve at the level most would think.

    I am pretty sure we are saying the exact same things.

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  • Thanks Luck! Love talking basketball with you, as for talent I don't think we are 10 deep, but traditionally most teams only play 8, and we have enough talent to win. We wear ourselves out by pressing for the whole game when we can't do whole sale changes. That's on Grant for not bringing in a full complement of players. There are only a handful of teams with more talent than us in the SEC. Dayton, Mercer, Texas Tech, Tulane, etc don't have one tenth are talent level but outplayed us or almost beat us. Fact is we should be an NCAA team this year based off of the SEC and non-conference, yet we lost easily winnable games, and lack focus at times in almost every game. We have gone backward for the 4th straight year on offense. I have never seen a team regress for 4 straight years on offense like Alabama while being under the same coach.

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  • Lucky

    Jerry Meyer set around and talk about these issues on a daily basis. It sounds like you are part of the discussions.

    Regarding AAU:
    Agree 100% that there are significant problems with AAU in the development of these players. In our opinion, players are losing the desire to "compete." These kids are sometimes facing each other 20/30/40 times a summer and "losing" doesn't really matter -- you get another game the following day or weekend. There's no ramifications for losing and that is carrying forward into the college game. That is one of the reasons we have so many uninspired performances. Also and just as important, players are not "working on their game." They aren't learning how to post, shoot, pass etc. Workouts and practices during the same amount of time with more intensity would be more beneficial in their development.

    Regarding Physicality:
    1000% agree that the college game is way too damn physical. John Wooden is rolling over in his grave. The advantage goes to the defense and for the game of basketball to work that can not be the case (this is not football). Players can now hold and play defense with their hands and upper body rather than moving their feet. Help side defense is no longer taught because it's not needed. The college game is way more physical than the NBA. The NBA knows that if they changed their rules to benefit the defense their game would suffer with significant implications to viewership and attendance. Heck, it is so bad that I would dare bet that at least 1 out of every 2 screens is a moving screen at this time.

    I love basketball. I have played it my entire life and still live to play at the age of 43. I played the game for one of the best college coaches that has ever taught. The game is near broken right now and it needs to get fixed. Just because march madness is mainstream to the point that games are exciting and viewership is at an all time high (for the tournament only) doesn't mean the game is healthy.

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  • I usually agree with everything you say on your post but i have to take exception to a few thing here. It was not a great game to watch, a team that has no offensive ability, that looks overwelmed by an average defense and scores under 30 in the first half is not well coached. I watched as two /three players just stood and watched the ball with no movement what ever when bama had the ball, now i am not a college player but after 60 years of watching good and great teams i know the offensive players should be in motion most of the time to get open for a shot. Bama never runs set plays and seldom gets uncontested shots. I have seen many high school teams that were better coached than bama. As for as no future pro players on the team you are correct but whose fault is that? If Saban can start with little talent and build a BCSNC team in football in two years why can't CAG at least recuite a winning team in four? In basketball it doesn't take 3/4 years to build a winning team if you have a very good coach, their are numerious examples of that playing in the NCAA turney right now. I love Alabama and would really like to see the Basketball team rise to the top but it want happen with CAG and with everybody else willing to sit back and say they just need more time to build, while not looking at the glaring problems in recruiting and lack of coaching skill being displayed. I get really tired of hearing how young they are, we sound like auburn football fans..

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    Not a great game from the standpoint of two heavy weights going to toe to toe in a game that means something, but an entertaining game from two equal teams that came down to a final possession.

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  • Agree Lucky, first we need some people with great basketball minds on the rules committee. We all love defense, but the fact is defense like Alabama, Louisville, and VCU play are detrimental to the game. If Alabama was to play with NBA officials we would be fouled out by the end of the first half. The NBA recognized this and put in place rules to help the offense and hinder physical defenses. There are guys who play amazing defense in the NBA without fouling a lot, and it's a taught skill. Basketball is a thousand times more fun when offenses are creating and scoring, it makes the game more interesting. What's interesting is that college football is a much less physical game than the NFL, but college basketball is a thousand times more physical than the NBA or the Euro leagues, its completely backward.

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  • Really? I'm betting you didn't like Obama before he got the job. I'm sure you're weren't wondering four years later if he was the right man for the job. Right? Right.

  • awesome post the screener never rolls off of the screenwe never do pic and rolls or back door cutsFlorida is a great example of a team who uses that to perfection

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  • Thanks for taking the time to make your thoughts known. I have read this initial post and most of your responses throughout this thread. However I am a little confused.

    On the one hand - you comment with 100% certainty that CAG should be back for another year. You say that this team improved throughout the season. That our talent level is not that great. That we need to improve our offensive sets, our defense and making in-game decisions. No need for me to list all the things you have already said but many are in direct conflict of the initial statement ---- that some of us are 'nuts' for wanting a change. Really?

    It seems to me that many of our problems are centered right with the leader of our basketball program --- CAG. Last night's game actually wasn't a great game to watch at all because it showed in great detail the lack of coaching ability by our coaching staff. Many of the decisions were horrible and in situations where the timing of said decisions could not have been worse. You speak of the sloppy play of Lacey---- I agree ---- yet who is allowing him to be in that position ---- constantly?

    As I said in another thread --- we are paying $1.8 million. I would not think we would need to do that for the 'process of coaching development'. He should be able to bring that to the table.

    You said we improved throughout the year. Nope ---- not hardly --- not even close. Re-read all the threads on this site as we all watched our team play several times a week. We made the same mistakes each and every game over and over. We all knew what was going to happen or not happen next and most everyone could make that prediction with ease. I don't think we really got worse. But we surely did not get better. The fact that this is the worse season in many many years for the SEC masks how poorly we played and how poorly we were coached.

    You said the games like last night are won with talent. That is only partly true. We had, at the very least equal talent. We also had a bad road team in our house. We also had a decent crowd. They also just lost one of their players to an injury. The odds were in our favor. Yes talent is a huge key to victory. However --- our coaching staff laid an egg and did so late.

    First and foremost - it is not all about talent, it is not about fundamentals or offensive sets or how we play on defense. It is the overall ability of a coach not only to teach all those things you mentioned throughout all your posts --- but to not only earn the respect of his players --- but to demand it in the tough times. One can look across campus and see how CNS demands what needs to happen and people follow suit............ why? because every single day --- no one -- and I mean no one --- out works him and thus the example and tempo is set.

    I am not trying to be combative. I truly appreciate the remarks you have made and being a part of such a controversial topic. I commend you on that one. But it all starts with coaching and UA basketball should not be an OJT program for up and coming head coaches. We got over $5 million bucks invested in this and we need better results from the COACHES long before we start evaluating the players. And last time I looked --- the coaches do the recruiting.

    Lastly, saying something bad about a BAMA player or coach always causes problems. We are all family and defend our own. I appreciate everyone for giving me hell when I present my position about our team because I know they care as well and just defending one of the BAMA family. With that said --- facts are facts. And we got problems. And we aren't moving in the right direction. And even more --- we are spending millions..... millions. Come on--- thats real money.

    I will end with this ---- I have said many times -- from my view --CAG is a top notch quality person. There is no doubt there and I wish nothing bad for him. The question is accountability and it ALL rests with him. And are we really getting what we paid for or not? Imagine that it was YOUR money that was being spent.

    Let the down votes begin and Roll Tide.

  • moonGrant's basketball teams plays a lot like Shula's football teams.