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Gus and AU better hope...

  • that there are no rule amendments to pace at which an offense can play in near future. That is their offense. I have watched many times when they slow the pace down that they are just a completely different offense. It has less to do with what they do post snap and more to do with how quickly they snap it. Defense and referees make mental errors. They ran same offense in second half of UGA game with a slowed pace and couldn't get anything accomplished much like last night. Please understand that as long as it is within the rules I don't blame AU for running it and it is highly successful. Don't particularly like the pace offenses but it is Gus's only hope to be high level coach.

  • Agree.

  • hytboy12 said... (original post)

    that there are no rule amendments to pace at which an offense can play in near future. That is their offense. I have watched many times when they slow the pace down that they are just a completely different offense. It has less to do with what they do post snap and more to do with how quickly they snap it. Defense and referees make mental errors. They ran same offense in second half of UGA game with a slowed pace and couldn't get anything accomplished much like last night. Please understand that as long as it is within the rules I don't blame AU for running it and it is highly successful. Don't particularly like the pace offenses but it is Gus's only hope to be high level coach.

    expect we will see an emphasis on blocking down field and lineman down field on pass plays. also, should expect to see the refs slow the game down enough for the chains to be set before a play begins.

    rtr

  • shanet256 said... (original post)

    Agree.

    So does Gus. Watch him when LSU was up 21 so early. He was lost. The only thing he knew to do on sideline was "wave the runner around the bases" signal to let them offense kno to go faster. That is the gist of his adjustments.

  • chefrossi said... (original post)

    expect we will see an emphasis on blocking down field and lineman down field on pass plays. also, should expect to see the refs slow the game down enough for the chains to be set before a play begins.

    rtr

    Not good news for the bus. Just saying.

  • I have no problem with offenses running high pace as long as the refs are getting the calls right. I don't care if it confuses the defense, that is the point, but if the refs are missing linemen down field and illegal motions and formations because they're more worried about being to their spot before the ball is snapped then its a problem. There are two solutions.

    1. Slow the pace of the players. (I don't think that is a fair thing to do because anything you can do within the rules to gain an advantage over the defense should be allowed. That is what makes it so hard to defend.)

    2. Get more referees and use them in rotation with backups stationed at certain parts of the field to take over when there will be a problem with the refs getting in position. I know this idea could use some tweaking and may sound ridiculous, but if people are saying that the defensive coaches need to evolve with the game then so too does the officiating. With these fast paced offense teams there is just too much to think about for the refs pre snap, and its kind of like we say for a defender "if you're thinking than you're gonna move slow". Give them more refs with each having less responsibility pre snap and the game can go as fast as they want and the refs can still get the calls right. That give both sides nothing to complain about.

  • hytboy12 said... (original post)

    Not good news for the bus. Just saying.

    or a&m.

    rtr

  • True but I had already written them off with their departures. Pace is more important to AU offense IMO. At least while Marshall is QB.

  • I don't mind making your opponent make mental mistakes due to pace, but when you're trying to force the refs into mental mistakes by snapping before they are ready, then I have a problem. It's trying to play by a different set of rules than everyone else, which I think is garbage.

  • Shane8773 said... (original post)

    I have no problem with offenses running high pace as long as the refs are getting the calls right. I don't care if it confuses the defense, that is the point, but if the refs are missing linemen down field and illegal motions and formations because they're more worried about being to their spot before the ball is snapped then its a problem. There are two solutions.

    1. Slow the pace of the players. (I don't think that is a fair thing to do because anything you can do within the rules to gain an advantage over the defense should be allowed. That is what makes it so hard to defend.)

    2. Get more referees and use them in rotation with backups stationed at certain parts of the field to take over when there will be a problem with the refs getting in position. I know this idea could use some tweaking and may sound ridiculous, but if people are saying that the defensive coaches need to evolve with the game then so too does the officiating. With these fast paced offense teams there is just too much to think about for the refs pre snap, and its kind of like we say for a defender "if you're thinking than you're gonna move slow". Give them more refs with each having less responsibility pre snap and the game can go as fast as they want and the refs can still get the calls right. That give both sides nothing to complain about.

    As long as the pace is within the rules of football then I agree. Snapping the ball before offensive players are set for legal time and before refs are in a position to make the calls that make the game what it is is not football IMO.

  • chefrossi said... (original post)

    expect we will see an emphasis on blocking down field and lineman down field on pass plays. also, should expect to see the refs slow the game down enough for the chains to be set before a play begins.

    rtr

    Agree and I expect to see an emphasis on now allowing the play to start until the refs are all in proper position. How many penalites did they (and other hunh teams) get away with because the refs couldn't get in the right spot to see it.

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  • Shane8773 said... (original post)

    I have no problem with offenses running high pace as long as the refs are getting the calls right. I don't care if it confuses the defense, that is the point, but if the refs are missing linemen down field and illegal motions

    2. Get more referees and use them in rotation with backups stationed at certain parts of the field to take over when there will be a problem with the refs getting in position. I know this idea could use some tweaking and may sound ridiculous, but if people are saying that the defensive coaches need to evolve with the game then so too does the officiating. With these fast paced offense teams there is just too much to think about for the refs pre snap, and its kind of like we say for a defender "if you're thinking than you're gonna move slow". Give them more refs with each having less responsibility pre snap and the game can go as fast as they want and the refs can still get the calls right. That give both sides nothing to complain about.

    I'm with you 100%- I like the offense not because of gimmicks but because it is a balance maker when you have such studs as Bama has. I love my Bama, but honestly I like how the game changes... And while I still feel football should be line em up and see who hits the hardest and executes I'm all for evolution of the game. Bear used the wishbone-precursor to today's read option... And he was considered or is considered one of if not THE best coach of all time.... So I give Gus credit for that. He is leveling the playing field but now, the advantage is shifting due to game situations and I think you are on to something with additional refs. I had never thought of that before, makes perfect sense to me.

    Also, how about adding another set of chains? Just for this reason, so they can be "downfield" and swap each time. Is it perfect-no but I would allow one set of chains to be on the move all the time.

  • More importantly, he better hope that his team can play just as well when they've got the target on their back. Historically that's not been their strong point. Usually do best sneaking up on teams.

  • Shane8773 said... (original post)

    I have no problem with offenses running high pace as long as the refs are getting the calls right. I don't care if it confuses the defense, that is the point, but if the refs are missing linemen down field and illegal motions and formations because they're more worried about being to their spot before the ball is snapped then its a problem. There are two solutions.

    1. Slow the pace of the players. (I don't think that is a fair thing to do because anything you can do within the rules to gain an advantage over the defense should be allowed. That is what makes it so hard to defend.)

    2. Get more referees and use them in rotation with backups stationed at certain parts of the field to take over when there will be a problem with the refs getting in position. I know this idea could use some tweaking and may sound ridiculous, but if people are saying that the defensive coaches need to evolve with the game then so too does the officiating. With these fast paced offense teams there is just too much to think about for the refs pre snap, and its kind of like we say for a defender "if you're thinking than you're gonna move slow". Give them more refs with each having less responsibility pre snap and the game can go as fast as they want and the refs can still get the calls right. That give both sides nothing to complain about.

    Football was never meant to be a continuous game. To stretch the rules to make it so ruins the game. Go play rugby

  • Shane8773 said... (original post)

    2. Get more referees and use them in rotation with backups stationed at certain parts of the field to take over when there will be a problem with the refs getting in position. I know this idea could use some tweaking and may sound ridiculous, but if people are saying that the defensive coaches need to evolve with the game then so too does the officiating. With these fast paced offense teams there is just too much to think about for the refs pre snap, and its kind of like we say for a defender "if you're thinking than you're gonna move slow". Give them more refs with each having less responsibility pre snap and the game can go as fast as they want and the refs can still get the calls right. That give both sides nothing to complain about.

    Time it's an easier solution than running refs off the sideline during the game. I'm with the above poster about it being a continuous game---it would ruin football.

    All the NCAA has to do is add another ref just like the NFL and have him stationed behind the line with the head referee on the opposite hash. This guy's only job is to watch the line. He never sets the ball and has to run backwards at breakneck speed to get set. It works perfectly in the nfl bc the refs are always set before the play. No way the refs would miss as many calls due to being out of position.

  • Saban said it best Mason is a big reason for that offense ticks. So maybe he goes pro.

  • DrPacino said... (original post)

    Time it's an easier solution than running refs off the sideline during the game. I'm with the above poster about it being a continuous game---it would ruin football.

    All the NCAA has to do is add another ref just like the NFL and have him stationed behind the line with the head referee on the opposite hash. This guy's only job is to watch the line. He never sets the ball and has to run backwards at breakneck speed to get set. It works perfectly in the nfl bc the refs are always set before the play. No way the refs would miss as many calls due to being out of position.

    Look, like i said, I don't have all the answers. All im saying is that what fast paced teams are doing is within the rules, and i don't think the rules should be changed just because the game is changing. What you just said is precisely what I said, if you need more refs to get the calls right then get more refs. It isn't the offensive coaches responsibility to see that the game is officiated properly. It is his job to score, score and score some more. I hate that type of ball as much as any on here. Heck, I say get rid of the forward pass and run the dang ball, but the game changes and it isnt up to the coaches to make sure that the refs are doing their jobs adequately. Do what you have to to get the calls correct.

  • DrPacino said... (original post)

    Time it's an easier solution than running refs off the sideline during the game. I'm with the above poster about it being a continuous game---it would ruin football.

    All the NCAA has to do is add another ref just like the NFL and have him stationed behind the line with the head referee on the opposite hash. This guy's only job is to watch the line. He never sets the ball and has to run backwards at breakneck speed to get set. It works perfectly in the nfl bc the refs are always set before the play. No way the refs would miss as many calls due to being out of position.

    That's interesting. Didn't realize the NFL has an additional ref.

    One of the Bama fans sitting around me in New Orleans was screaming and adament that Oklahoma should have been flagged 4-5 times for snapping the ball before their own players were set. I don't know what the rule is there about how long they have to be set.

    I do swear I remember seeing at least two plays where Oklahoma had two guys in motion at the same time which I thought was a penalty but I guess not.

  • high- school trickery football...wont last

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    chefrossi said... (original post)

    expect we will see an emphasis on blocking down field and lineman down field on pass plays. also, should expect to see the refs slow the game down enough for the chains to be set before a play begins.

    rtr

    This. The NCAA will probably add some of the NFL's rules about the game clock. I can't remember precisely, but Chip Kelly's offense had to be adjusted considerably to be within NFL rules. I just wish I could remember what it was.

  • Shane8773 said... (original post)

    Look, like i said, I don't have all the answers. All im saying is that what fast paced teams are doing is within the rules, and i don't think the rules should be changed just because the game is changing. What you just said is precisely what I said, if you need more refs to get the calls right then get more refs. It isn't the offensive coaches responsibility to see that the game is officiated properly. It is his job to score, score and score some more. I hate that type of ball as much as any on here. Heck, I say get rid of the forward pass and run the dang ball, but the game changes and it isnt up to the coaches to make sure that the refs are doing their jobs adequately. Do what you have to to get the calls correct.

    Yes I was agreeing I just didn't like the stable of refs waiting to be shuffled into the game. All I was saying is it's much easier than that. Just do what the NFL does. Their refs call a much better game and it's because they are rarely if ever out of position.

  • DrPacino said... (original post)

    Yes I was agreeing I just didn't like the stable of refs waiting to be shuffled into the game. All I was saying is it's much easier than that. Just do what the NFL does. Their refs call a much better game and it's because they are rarely if ever out of position.

    Yeah, it wasn't a perfect idea lol but it sounded good at the time i typed it. I still think the college game will need more than just one more ref. The plays go that much faster in college than they do in the NFL. There are teams like Philly that run the hurry up in the NFL, but not the same way that teams do at the collage level.

  • hytboy12 said... (original post)

    that there are no rule amendments to pace at which an offense can play in near future. That is their offense. I have watched many times when they slow the pace down that they are just a completely different offense. It has less to do with what they do post snap and more to do with how quickly they snap it. Defense and referees make mental errors. They ran same offense in second half of UGA game with a slowed pace and couldn't get anything accomplished much like last night. Please understand that as long as it is within the rules I don't blame AU for running it and it is highly successful. Don't particularly like the pace offenses but it is Gus's only hope to be high level coach.

    Their 2011 team is pretty much what that offense looks like when you slow the pace down. Agree 100% its not the plays that give you trouble, its the speed at which they are run them.

  • RT4Bama

    The boogs even snapped the ball one time with the umpire standing over the center. You would think that would have been a penalty but I guess not.

  • Good analysis.

  • I'm old school. Every time I see Auburn's offense I immediately think of a high school team. They run 3 or 4 plays. And the advantage is the HUNH not the plays themselves. I know it's within the rules, but I hate the HUNH because I think it's ruining the game. Who wants to watch a baseball game where the pitcher can pitch as quickly as he wants even if the batter is not ready?

    But what can you do? You still want to be able to run a 2 minute drill.