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Have we played anyone that can compare to Notre Dame size wise? LSU has a very small front seven. UGA has one big man but very small linebackers.
But ND is huge with both DEs Tuitt (6'6, 306) and Lewis-Walker (6'4, 306) and then the monster Nix (6'3, 326) in the middle.
At linebacker, you have Teo (6'2, 255), Shembo (6'2, 250), Spond (6'2, 248) and. Fox (6'3, 240)
It is obvious why they are so tough stopping the run. Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts.
UGA is pretty similar in size. Their LB's are not "very small". Not as big at ND's across the board but big nonetheless.
UGA is pretty similar, especially on the DL.
We may as well get ready to pass 60 times. No way we can run against that group. The college version of the Steel Curtain defense from the 70s.
UGA has Smith (6'3, 294) and Washington (6'4, 280) at DE.
Jenkins (6'3, 352) at NT.
Jones (6'3, 240), Jenkins (6'3, 247), Olgetree (6'3, 230) and Herrera (6'3, 231)
Pretty big difference
I didn't ask if we could run on them. I asked who they compared too
I'm just saying. Bama has no chance to run against them.
Thanks for joining in and offering such great insight
Geathers played a bunch also and he is well over 300. 330 I think.
I would say ND outweighs UGA by about 5 maybe 10 lbs on avg. Not alot IMO.
FWIW, the team that most closely resembles them size wise. is the team they see all offseason and early in the fall. That is our defense in case you didn't know.
Also, where did you get the weights for these players? A few are 10-15 lbs lower than their website.
I think at most we're looking at a couple pounds difference per person. Maybe less.
UGA plays Kwame Geathers (6'6 355) at DE quite a bit. So Geathers and Jenkins (6'3 358) are on the field at the same time a lot, giving UGA more size on it's D-line than anyone in college football.
Your weights are inaccurate as well. Amarlow Herrera is 6'2 245 according to UGA's official roster. Matter of fact, all of your listed height/weights are inaccurate according to the official roster. See below for accurate LB sizes.
Herrera: 6'2 245
Ogletree: 6'3 232
Jenkins: 6'3 257
Jones: 6'3 241
UGA average LB weight: 243.75
Notre Dame average LB weight (according to your listed sizes): 248.25
Notre Dames LB's average 4.5 more pounds than UGA's and UGA's D-line is much bigger. Not a "pretty big difference" when you utilize accurate information and understand that a Defensive Line has a habit of rotating players.
Thier depth chart on TOS....
Well good deal. So looks like UGA is the most comparable. I will take those results ;-)
With our Oline- the bigger the better. Look at what Texas A&M did...they played their smaller quicker lineup against our Oline to get penetration. UGA was held up at the line but was not as quick off the ball as Texas A&M was. If Teo and other LBs have to blitz to stop the run...they will get torched in 1on1 coverage. Look for ND to try and take away the drag routes early (like uga did), they know the only chance they have at beating us is stopping the Run and hoping AJ isnt having a great deep ball day. This is why Amari Cooper is the biggest factor in this game even if he isnt getting the ball in his hand, his longball threat will keep ND honest. Also we wont have to worry about a speed rush beating Fluker to the outside. Eddie Lacy and Yeldon will have to be patient and wait for our Oline to get a hat on a hat. Big runs will be rare if we dont show a good passing game. We cannot get eager if everything isnt working and stick to the gameplan..that should be alot like UGA. It will not be as easy to run on them as UGA, but the concept is still the same. Make them stop the run, make them press the WRs, and play action will be big if we can do that. If they are going to be stubborn and put 7-8 in the box, AJ has to be able to make the right calls to attack their secondary. But most importantly take care of the ball and not force throws that are not there. Ill be watching Teo alot in this game, and if he is inching towards the line to much i will feel alot better about us winning this one as they are having to use to many to stop the run.
That's not a huge difference at linebacker but their ends are definitely more stout. Having been able to see the Irishplay several times this year it's obvious why they're so good at stopping the run in goal line and short yardage situations. They're incredibly strong at the point of attack with their starters.
It doesn't appear to me though that they have the speed we're used to seeing in SEC play. They appeared to be very Big ten like in that aspect. Running between the tackles should be a challenge particularly on a short field. We should be able to run on them at the corners and their secondary is taylor made for the crossing routes, etc... employed by our passing game provided we can protect AJ.
Nothing's a given but I think we win this one in the second half by a touchdown or more particularly if we can start getting into their depth on defense.
<. As long as Saban's running things, this is how the Tide Rolls!
ND this season has typically play their 1st team all game long ( mostly due to their anemic offense) . depth is not as strong on their 2nd team. this could be a huge advantage if Bama has the lead and running at will late in the 2nd half.
This post was edited by TideR30 19 months ago
One thing to think about with respect to their size in the front seven is the match up of our defense versus their offense. Most of our struggles on defense this year have been due to an inability to stop the big play.
With that in mind do you think that Notre Dame has the playmakers on offense to exploit this. IMO they do not. They've won on defense and mistake free football all year but there offense hasn't been up to par.
I see can see their offense going three and out or having short drives with respect to time consumption. This will cause those big boy in their front seven to become quite winded by the third and forth quarter. And no matter how big you are, when you're tired you aren't very effective.
Biggest reason they are good on the goal line. Is that they bring the corners up & crash down the edges. Pretty much making each team try & go right up the middle. Not a lot of teams are gonna be able to do that. Interesting that USC was the only team to attempt a pass when they crashed the corners. & the fb was wide open. But the qb made a weak throw that was short. I see play action to Williams if we get in this situation.
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I guess UT would qualify as a big DL with McCullers and Sentimore up front.
Does size really matter?
Yes, In practice everyday.
This post was edited by jayalanbama7 19 months ago
My wife says it's not that big of a deal. I think we're ok guys.
No. I was about to post something about that. I went up against a 6'5 300 lb guy before. He was a soft pansy. Weight doesn't matter anywhere near as much as the motor and the skill level of the person pushing around that weight does. ND has been good vs the run but they haven't faced a run game like ours yet. We will see what happens.
This post was edited by samdog91 19 months ago
"We're modern-day gladiators, and that mental toughness is really important to have in a good team." Nick Saban
Good post. I was going to post the exact same thing about the size of the DL. I think we actually match up great with them. The teams we have the most problems with are small and quicker DL. Tuitt has the speed and athleticism to get around Fluker but is nowhere near the threat Jones, Montgomery, or Mingo. I think the size of their front plays into our hands perfectly. While Shembo is a decent OLB he is not on the same level as Jones as far as being quick.
I love this matchup for our O. The question is whether our OL can matchup with their size and move them off the ball. I like that matchup. Big on big.
According to CNS size matters. He recruits the biggest players in the country for a reason.
This post was edited by cwaters2 19 months ago
This is exactly right. They are hell bent to stop the run and make a team go directly up the middle.
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