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20-25 years ? I really can't think of anyone that has played as well. We will never know about B. Croyle because he played on such a lesser teams. I still think AJ would be on top because he can hit the long ball, throw the long out, and isn't scared to throw it out of bounds when he needs to.
AJ is GREAT. Keep thinking "Ya don't know what ya got until its gone"...........
"Sorry it took me so long to answer. I was just thinking about how weird it is that we eat birds." - Tracy Jordan
By the end of next year he will be the best QB that Bama has ever had. Possible the only Starting QB to ever win 3 National Championships.. That pretty much sums it up.
Well, if you go back 25 years, the list of Alabama QBs worth mentioning are:
John David Phillips
John Parker Wilson
Out of those, AJ has the best stats.
Talentwise, the only ones in the same ballpark, IMO were Jeff Dunn, Gary Hollingsworth, Freddie Kitchens, and Brodie Croyle.
The only other QB that has won anything like he has won is Jay Barker.....and maybe McElroy.
I guess I would say that out 2 best in that time frame looking at everything was Brodie and AJ. Brodie may have had a stronger arm, but he wasn't nearly as accurate and AJ has a much stronger frame, IMO. Unfortunately, Brodie was never really the same QB coming off the injury in 2004.
Note: I do think that if Kitchens could have ever truly gotten in great shape and been around 6'2" 225-230 instead of 250 that he would have been one of the best in Alabama history.
Note #2: I know they listed him at 235 eventually, but anyone that believed that......pass it my way.
"Don't confuse association, with something we both really like." ---JB
AJ is one of the best QBs of all time. Brodie is not close. The guy was too easily injured.
Best since Namath.
Everyone seems to just skip over Richard Todd, IMO.
Undefeated in the SEC as a starter over 3 years.
Definitely the best since Namath... maybe the best since Starr... perhaps better than both and, yes, I go back that far.
P.S. Don't post much... been with BOL since Dubose... ugh!
Remember, remember the 5th of November...
I'm sorry but I laughed out loud at Freddie Kitchens being in the same sentence as AJ talent wise.
Wouldn't take a lot to be better than Starr at Alabama. He was basically a career back-up. Hell of a punter while in Tuscaloosa though.
Freddie was an amazing talent actually. As I said, he could have been one of the best in Alabama history if he would have gotten in shape. Unfortunate for him and us that he never had the desire to work at it, put down the pizza, and give up the late night festivities.
People forget Freddie Kitchens ran his own career into the ground. The sauce ruined him. Guy had a great arm and mobility before his problems. He showed up to practice in 96 way over weight. Stallings made him practice with the lineman until he lost some weight. He never really got back what he could have been.
Nope. It is clearly a different game today and it is difficult to compare eras. Namath and Stabler at that time were better QBs and better athletes. Richard Todd was a better athlete but not the QB. Just my humble opinion.
No kidding. I remember when he came in late in a game when he and Toderick Malone were both true freshman and his first pass was 77 yard bomb for a touchdown. Stallings red-shirted him the next season in '94 and then he took over the job as Burgdorf struggled in 1995.
Stallings was tough on him and his departure after the 1996 season was probably one of the worst things for Kitchens as DuBose took the approach to quit worrying about Kitchens' weight and just let him relax and play. Big mistake and it really hurt us that season.
Richard Todd was not the QB....and just an athlete?
I know we ran the triple option....and he was a great athlete, but he was a great QB, throwing the ball as well. He is the Jets all-time leading passer in the NFL, not Namath......not to mention being the #6 overall draft pick in the 1976 NFL draft.
This post was edited by BetterOff 18 months ago
IMO the only one in AJs league as far as throwing talent is Brodie. I'd say Brodie probably had more arm strength but aj is better in about every other category.
Zow would be ahead of kitchens IMO
As previously noted....AJ is the best since Richard Todd. Next year will do nothing but add to his legend.
I agree with a lot of your comments but when comparing past to present, keep in mind what talent surrounded each QB. Freddie got hit more than than all of the other QBs combined. I love AJ but Alabama has never had a QB with more talent around them from ol, wr, rb and whole defense. He has had everything a guy could ever need to be successful.
Do not take as disrepect to AJ but proper respect to those who have played before.
I hope he turns out to be the greatest ever!
AJ will go down as one of the all time greats!!
You really had to live those years back towards Namath to know. I remember complaining at one time or another about every QB we've ever had. I was too young when Namath and Stabler were here so I don't know but from the 70's on every QB I can think of had a slump at one point or another. But AJ has been getting better since day 1 as a starter. He was above average of all these guys when he started in 2011 but by the NC game against LSU he turned it up a notch. And he got better all year in 2012 hitting the deep ball at will, rarely over throwing a receiver, and almost never giving it a chance to be intercepted. AJ will go down in history as the best Alabama QB since Namath and maybe better but as I said I was too young at the time. Definitely the best since.
This post was edited by bamamba1989 18 months ago
Just me I guess but I thought Freddie was one tough SOB. Remember him punching the troy fan from the bullpen during a baseball game. And u could always find him at Pounders haha
This post was edited by VinnyVega 18 months ago
Have to go back over 25 years, but I think Walter Lewis could have similiar success if he had played on quality clubs. Good runner and pretty good passer.As far a the toughest qb we have had in past 25 years i think of Freddie Kitchens.
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