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Talk to a nutritionist.
Your kid doesn't need to be taking a bunch of supplements at his age. Let his body develop before filling it with crap. He's got plenty of natural growing to do.
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THANKS guys. Every response. This is how I feel. Its obvious some are using or at least talking about other stuff because he's the one that mentioned things to me. So far he hasn't done anything. This is exactly what I keep saying to him is there are no true short cuts and for now while he's still growing there's no need to supplement anything. But again you know kids and to be honest its everywhere these days. Commercials, and of course every gym. I guess even high school gyms. (meaning just supplements and drinks, shakes etc.) LOL even the gateraide pre and after stuff (g) which I know that's not anywhere near the same level but just saying. They hear use this for this to be stronger faster blah blah blah.
LOL we even had this discussion today. I carried a friend of his on the team home from practice a 10th grader who obviously is benefiting from their work out programs. He mentioned to my son he was a bigger plump (his words) kid a few years ago and just by working out and watching what he eats he's in pretty darn good shape today. There are those kids but you also hear things from the FEW others around. THANKS guys abunch. gotta go tonight.
This post was edited by BB2One 18 months ago
Is this the HGH thread? oh wait. nm.
What happens to everybody else has nothing to do with us, understand?”
Do ya'll have a link to the previous thread?
I need to get in better shape (just a little over weight), but the most difficult machine seems to be the door...
"You feeling satisfied now Teddy?"
I work out at a gym right off 280 in inverness and you just nailed pretty much 75% of the guys that come in on a daily basis. The douche bag population around here is pretty high.
I can remember when I first started lifting. I was 15 and my friends and I thought the key to packing on muscle was either A: Juice, or B: the latest, greatest supplement. We also believed that using Mr.Olympia's workout routine was the only way to go. Man were we clueless. I never used any steroids, but around age 19 I meant I was going to get a cycle.
Luckily, I picked up a copy of Ironman magazine, which has great info on natural training and nutrition, and read an article by Bill Starr. In the article he outined a program he used when training begining to intermediate lifters. It was a pretty simple program. It is based around total body workouts consisting of Heavy/Medium/Light days, Mon-Heavy, Wed-Medium, Fri-Light. The set/rep scheme was 5x5 then a back off set of 1x10 on each exercise on Mon, 4x8-10 Wed, and 4x12-15 Fri. Heavy workouts consisted of Squats, Bench, Deadlifts, and Overhead press. You keep a record of all lbs used for the exercises, and try to increase them by 5-10lbs every week for six weeks, then take a week off and begin again. If you can't complete all reps with a certain weight don't increase the weight until you do.
Anyway, I decided to give it a try. I went from an overtrained 185lbs to 225lbs in 8 months, and my waist size never changed. Not bragging about that. It just made me realize that I would never take any roids, because you just don't have to. Proper training and nutrition is all it takes.
This post was edited by drola3 18 months ago
Proper squat form takes a long time to get right. You should be doing the front squat and both the high bar and low bar back squat. The key is flexibility and form. Doing air squats or sitting in third world position is really good for stretching out and essential for avoiding injury. I only max out about 4 times a year. After that I use anywhere between 75-90% of the weight max in the workout. I'm doing crossfit and at 39 years old I can sit my butt on my heels with over 250 lbs on my shoulders with no problems. Building your core helps with every athletic activity. And even helps when you haul your17 month old around! Just my experience . I'm no expert.
Lol nothing wrong with going lighter and looking great - by lighter I still mean in the 8-12 range for upper body, usually anywhere from 8-25 for lower body. You'll still have plenty of functional strength for daily activities. Not exactly sure what part of benching 300lb translates to functional strength but anywho...
Unless your playing sports seriously, saying things like this is totally hypocritical - your stroking your ego just as much as the guys you're accusing of doing so by training for looks. Good for you if you can lift x-amount. If someone's goal isn't to impress their friends with how much they can lift, and they'd rather train for aesthetic reasons, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with training for strength/functional reasons either. It always amuses me tho when ppl think so highly of themselves because they lift x amount, whoopee lol.
Like everyone thinks they are so hardcore by squatting/dead lifting etc.... I could put you through a leg workout without a single squat that would have you crippled for the next week lol. Same with chest workouts without any flat bench movements...
Totally agree with you in the guys who stand around and talk to friends or on the phone tho...university gyms are the absolute worst for that. Thanks for keeping these threads going too, they're awesome. Only thing I feel like I can contribute on being from Canada lol
Shane, when did you move to New Jersey?
The guy who said not to squat because it hurts your joints and all you need to do is run for leg strength is very misinformed. Squats is one of the best things you can do in a gym and when done with proper form they strengthen your joints. There is a book called Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe tha I highly recommend it focuses on compound exercises and has over 60 pages on the squat and how to do them properly. If anyone ever tells you that squats are bad for you don't take any of their advice. Throw in some dead lifts, cleans, push presses, weighted dips and pull ups into your routine and you will see results like never before. Shane, I like the muscle farm assault as well as c4 extreme and rotate them weekly. Also throw some good creatine in your supp regiment, the stuff works well.
I never stay on a preworkout longer than 2 canisters and try not to use said scoop or amount unless that day is going to be grueling. Your body adapts to the ingredients quickly and soon whereas one scoop jacked you up now your taking 2 or 3 and running through your product quickly!
You'll never achieve great things until you believe that's what's supposed to happen
Planet fitness? Just wondering, because thats my gym.
1) While I agree that too much emphasis on training only in maximal strength ranges is not a wise idea, I disagree with your assertion that purely aesthetic training is somehow "just as good" as training in basic human movements like squatting, hinging(deadlift), pulling, etc. Plus, your diet has way more to do with how you look.
2) Using muscle soreness as a marker for whether or not a workout is effective is a wrongheaded approach, in my opinion. A little soreness, even in experience lifters, can be expected, but if you're crippling yourself up with every workout, to quote the Internet, you're "doing it wrong".
Where do you guys buy your supplements?
They are much better PWO's than Muscle Pharm's Assault. Purus Lab's Muscle Marinade and Isatori's PWR (original formula) are both top shelf. PWR is my personal favorite and a great value. They have stopped making the original due to the FDA's ban on DMAA, but you can still find in on the internet until supplies run out. Just something to try when you finish assault. I have tried just about all of them and these 2 are generally considered the best. Also if you are not getting your supps online you are getting ripped off. Much cheaper than GNC or Vitamin Shoppe. Just my .
Men - I started lifting 3 times per week in 1976 and it became my addiction. At 57 I can't stress enough to be very careful with your supplements. The wrong stuff will have long term serious implications. Secondly, vary your routine for sure but be certain to pay attention to your entire body. I've had my share of tendon issues, shoulder, back, elbows etc. but the first thing to go as you age will be your mobility. STRENGTHEN YOUR CORE AND LEGS! Do not become top heavy.
Shane - all the best to you in your journey. Seems like a lot of guys enjoyed this topic.
We have these guys as well. The "Total Fitness Tag Team Heavyweight Champions". You've described their monday, tuesday, wed routine spot on.
have been for years
Marinade is good, I gave him a handful of options to try and see which he likes. everyone can react different to certain products
And yes, do not get at GNC or Vita Shoppe unless there going out of biz sale cause there prices are a joke
Thanks much Boz. I'm a partner in a group that's analyzing opportunities in the online wellness market. This is extremely invaluable info to me.
Anybody else? Where are you buying your supplements? Online? Walmart? GNC?
Fitness Express in Lee Branch
I use either Bodybuilding.com or Supplementwarehouse.com. Both always have great deals and bodybuilding has very fast shipping.
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