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basketball (outside of the two glorious years on their HS Varsity and pick up games at the YMCA) creating controversy. The first thing you learn in Law School is forming an opinion without knowing ALL the facts is WRONG. I can say with 100% certainty that NO ONE on this board knows all the facts. I know as many as anyone and my opinion is VERY different from the majority on this board.
TL can talk about player development all he wants but if he isn't willing to stop eating junk and sleeping late instead of getting up and busting his butt to get better then it is no ones fault but his own. If he isn't willing to play D the way the coach tells him and buy into the system then he doesn't belong. Fact - TL is an average 3 pt shooter. Fact - TL is a horrid mid range shooter (how soon we forget the open 15 ft shot that ended our season). Fact - TL is the worst perimeter defender to play at UA in at least 15 years. Fact - TL is slow and comes off screens ONLY looking to shoot which has led to massive problems in the flow of our offense.
You can not run our offense effectively if the guards don't penetrate and kick or penetrate and pull up from 10-15 ft. TL wanted to play YMCA basketball and stand around waiting for a teammate to pass him the ball for a jumper. Not going to happen on any level outside of high school.
I am already sick of talking about this but I want to make a prediction. We WILL make the tournament next year, we will win 20 games before the post season and all of the know it all basketball fans will still never come to a game.
I will also have a perma ban bet that says if TL does get on a team at Michigan, Indiana or Kansas he will average less than 2 pts a game over his two seasons.
At a time like this I like to throw a quote or two in the face of all those who run their mouths from the man all of us adore......
“Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world. Set a goal and don’t quit until you attain it. When you do attain it, set another goal, and don’t quit until you reach it. Never quit.”
“There’s a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success.”
“I think the most important thing of all for any team is a winning attitude. The coaches must have it. The players must have it. The student body must have it. If you have dedicated players who believe in themselves, you don’t need a lot of talent.”
“If you believe in yourself and have dedication and pride – and never quit – you’ll be a winner. The price of victory is high but so are the rewards.”
“The biggest mistake coaches make is taking borderline cases and trying to save them. I’m not talking about grades now, I’m talking about character. I want to know before a boy enrolls about his home life, and what his parents want him to be.”
“The first time you quit, it’s hard. The second time, it gets easier. The third time, you don’t even have to think about it.”
and the most important one in this situation...........
“But there’s one thing about quitters you have to guard against – they are contagious. If one boy goes, the chances are he’ll take somebody with him, and you don’t want that. So when they would start acting that way, I used to pack them up and get them out, or embarrass them, or do something to turn them around.”
You are correct about facts, TL, etc., but what constitutes your guarantee of making the tourney? The FACTS are that we had an abysmal offense that centered on individual skills with very little off-ball activity (lots of standing around). TV commentators criticized it during games. Our half court offense is an inside-out offense with a very weak inside game and average to poor outside shooting.
Look, I hope we make the tourney but after 4 years of evidence, hope is all we have right now. Your passion is appreciated, btw.
The Grant lovers are out in full force today...
I HATE it that Lacey left. I understand it decreases our chances of making a run, and decreases the chances of Grant creating longevity for himself. But, my fav line in all of this is that we are "Losing our best player". I'm sorry, but Lacey is not our best player. Releford is. He's the only guy that can create his own shot on our team. Best PG in the league, and we would be absolutely F'ed without him. Does losing Lacey destroy us? No. If, and it's a big if, Obosahan plays like he did to end the season, the transition may not be as painful as we all think.
My guarantee is a prediction based on years of coaching and playing experience. My prediction also lines up well with two former head basketball coaches at UA who think the program is headed in the right direction.
Fact: Lacey was one of the most prolific scorers in AL high school history.
Fact: He couldn't score if you lowered the rim to 6 feet after 2 years with Grant.
The owner of this network said yesterday there were rampant concerns over player development. Not just with Lacey. Think ill take his opinion over yours, if you don't mind.
I downvoted you because I like having an opinion about things that I know nothing about. But seriously...
Follow me on twitter, @BSCTIDE. Let's tweet.
I got on fire all the time playing NBA Jam, that has to be worth something in my basketball knowledge....Had to give it up as carpal tunnel caught up with me..
This post was edited by Bama Boz 12 months ago
Just a quote or two huh?
On a side note, I know next to nothing about basketball so I have no opinion one way or the other in this matter. I just know it doesn't look good when players are always transferring.
"From Down town!" +1 for the NBA JAM reference.
Fair enough, but Anthony Grant and his staff recruited the kid. If you're going to take the time and resources it takes to land a kid like a Lacey or a Pollard, you better make sure that those kids understand what the expectations are. Otherwise, you've wasted time that could have been better spent recruiting a kid who would have been more receptive to your style. In this day and age, transfers are common. However, Alabama has now lost four players in a span of a year, and there are rumors going around that more players are leaving. Blaming TL and TL alone is short-sighted.
Unfortunately, recruiting a kid doesn't stop when they sign the dotted line. You have to continue to recruit/motivate them over the course of time they spend on campus. If Lacey had questions about the direction of the program, Grant has to do a better job of communicating to TL and other players what the goals are and what the rewards associated with those goals are. Young people don't always handle adversity well. If TL was struggling with his game and his weight or something else, a coach needs to step in and try to determine what's going on and if something can be done to get the kid back on track. Maybe the coaches did that, I don't know, but since there are nothing more than flat statements released by the player and coach in a situation like this, all we are left to do is speculate. And most people are going to speculate the worst.
And I don't agree with this idea that Lacey was a selfish player always looking for his shot. He led the team in assists. He only took 9-10 shots per game. And at least three Alabama wins (South Dakota State, A&M and Vandy) don't happen without clutch plays by Lacey. He did nothing exceptional, but he did a lot of things well. I thought he always played within the flow of the offense and rarely forced things. I don't think his loss can just be casually dismissed.
I'm an Alabama basketball fan and I'm going to pull for this program regardless of who the coach or players are. However, it's reaching a Chicago Cubs level of frustration with this program. I've been pulling for Bama basketball since I was a kid in the early 90s and it seems like every time they seem to be making progress, the rug is pulled out. My anticipation levels for next season were very high, and I still think Alabama can be a good team next season, but how can Grant build on any success the program has when he can't keep players on campus?
Fact - I can name many players who were just as prolific of scorers in AL high school history.
Fact - Grant hasn't changed his shot at all. The only difference is he is playing in the SEC and has to do more than stand around to get open so he can shoot.
The owner of this network stated an opinion that gave no names of who was concerned. We know that you are concerned as are many others on this board but you don't matter. Start giving money to the program and your opinion will be listened to
Fwiw, our last 3 head coaches were fired. And the evidence (facts and stuff) don't show us heading in the right direction.
Oh, and just to address potential criticisms of my differing assessment, I played through high school, currently am an assistant coach at the high school level, and I went to 4 games this year, including the SEC tourney. This in no way makes me an expert but many posters on this site love to counter a coaching criticism with questions of knowledge, skills, abilities, and team support. Just thought I'd get ahead of the curve.
When I see a guy hit 3 shots in a row I instinctively thinks he's on fire.
WHAT?!? We win. PERIOD. 25 in 10-11, 21 in 11-12 and 23 last year. The best lesson you can learn as a young assistant is the best job security is winning. Do that and you will be a head coach one day.
Lol did not read
20 win seasons mean very little. Look if you are happy after 4 seasons with 4th place finishes or worse in the SEC, losses to teams like Mercer and Tulane, constant player attrition, motionless offense that worsens each year, lazy effort with little accountability, players that never get drafted, less than half-full attendance, etc., then knock yourself out.
Personally I aspire for much higher standards and wish our coaches and administration would do the same.
This post was edited by RZ4Life 12 months ago
FACT- grant does not have an inside game, thus making it very unlikely that we make the tourney next year.
FACT- the year we did make the tourney With Grant was with players that were mainly recruited by the previous staff (green, Mitchell & Hines were all big players that year)
Great post man. Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The haters are too!!!!!!!!!!!. This really should be about basketball and understanding what it takes to be a great team. Every time CNS has a transfer people come out of the wood works then and say things about the top program in the nation. This boils down to any excuse to blame the coach. Playing high school basketball doesn't even compare to D1 college ball in any sport. We have had five stars in football that never played a meaningful snap. Lacey was a good shooter and that's all. I'm not bashing him but transfer in basketball happens more than people are aware of. So the lovers are being challenged because the haters can't stand resistance. In some thing logics doesn't make since. Some kids will not buy in at the best programs but the difference in basketball is how many player you can have on your team. People talk about recruiting but none of the top guys are looking at a lower tier program until it can be turned around. Is grant the answer, I don't know but if it's not a big name coach forget it with top talent until it can be turned around and top coaches aren't doing it in basketball without payments. M.st, Conn,Tenn and a host of others have gotten in trouble because of aau. Let some one do it the right way and yes it takes longer.
This post was edited by Wheeler1000 12 months ago
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