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It's Just Not Fair

  • That's like telling your accountant "don't report that. They don't need to know about that."

    That argument is moot.

    All that does is hurt the ones who are legitimately performing within the rules. The line of legitimacy needs to be moved, to at least make it easier to seek employment in the off season.

  • All a very interesting debate. However, the secondary market for tickets has zero to do with the topic.

  • I agree they should give/increase the monthly stipend to ALL student athletes. I was a grad student in the mid 90's and actually got a full ride scholarship and a position as a GTA (graduate teaching assistant). I received a monthly stipend of over $400 per month for teaching a lab class and grading papers which took 10-12 hrs per week at the most. I didn't generate a single dime of revenue for the university. I think the NCAA could easily provide a stipend of $500 per month per student athlete and it not adversely impact any Division 1 athletic dept budget.

    For those that argue these kids can "suffer" thru college, $500 per month isn't going to allow anyone to live like a king! BTW ....another "nugget" for thought....we pay 40% of our U.S. population a whole lot more to do a whole lot less than our student athletes!

  • I did research, likely made the university a tremendous amount of money, and in exchange got tuition, board and a decent stipend. But what I really got was a job.I see athletes as no different, the real benefit is free training and exposure as a route to the kind of money I'll never see.

    With that said, I'm with Spurrier, players deserve a few thousand a semester to live on. I don't buy the "they deserve a percentage" argument (as I noted), but they do enough to get krispy kreme money.We give academic scholarships that exceed what the NCAA allows for athletes, and that's silly.

    However, you'll find the opposition comes from small schools, not big ones. Title IX requires them to give scholarships equally, and they repeatedly block these stipends because they can't afford it. And, the "pay them a percentage" method defeats non-profit status.

    This post was edited by Huskypup 12 months ago

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  • This guy gets it. It doesn't happen because of equality issues. We have club teams in some male sports because of Title IX requirements regarding scholarship ratios for Males and Females. Allowing a stipend to football players would likely require us to provide that same stipend to every student athlete on scholarship at Bama. Not only that, it would also be required that every school do it as it would be deemed advantageous to us in terms of recruitment/competition to be allowed to pay a stipend. Basically, we can't do it with all schools doing the same thing. What ths would result in is many athletic programs going under at other schools because they can't afford it or many athletes at smaller schools losing their scholarships. Logistics of such a program would be nearly impossible.

    As someone who served on scholarship as a student manager under Tank in the late 90's, I think these kids get plenty in the form of a scholarship. I didn't see kids struggling like some suggest...they get plenty on the School's dime.

  • Texastide21 are you shaud Williams?

  • When a kid can't afford to buy a pair of tennis shoes, or he can't go out on a date because he can't afford it, but his jersey sells rack in tens of thousands of dollars, something is wrong. Summer jobs really are not an option these days, unless you're going to work 10 hours a week. The summertime is just as demanding as the school year. Classes, workouts, and 7 on 7 take up a lot of the summer days. You won't understand it, unless you've been through it. Nobody has the energy to work after those brutal summer workouts and classes. Unless you've been through it, you can't criticize it. Some of the guys that are against it, we're born with a silver spoon in their mouth. So it's easy to speak against things that you have no clue about how hard it is.

    This post was edited by TexasTide21 12 months ago

  • Yeah things were great for the players during the Dubose era...which ultimately led to probation.

  • not saying guys didn't take any money but I left after the '98 season. I was there from 95-98...2 season under Stallings and 2 seasons under Dubose. The players today get even more money than when I was enrolled but we had plenty. I definitely didn't get any extra benefits and I feel i had a pretty sweet deal. These guys get more than you might imagine.

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    If you want to have a true debate about this issue, you also need to take an honest look at both sides of it. Sure, there are drawbacks to being a D 1 athlete, but there also insane perks. Superior food, clothing, not to mention the ultimate trump card - a paid for college education. It makes me ill when anyone tries to diminish that. Many student athletes wouldn't even get into college, much less have it paid for, if not for their athletic skills. The data is unarguable re what salaries a college graduate vs high school graduate earn. That diploma is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in earning potential, not to mention the perks of having Bama football player on your résumé.

    I went to college on a partial academic scholarship. What it didn't pay for, I footed with student loans. I came out of college and grad school with $50,000 in debt.
    Any "date" or fun money I had came out of debt. My dad literally sent me $5-$15 twice a month. I also played sports albeit DIII, however, I also had to maintain a gap to keep my scholarship. So working a job wasn't a walk in the park for me either.

    I'm not trying to fully dismiss the points you're making. I agree fully that there's one thing wrong with the jersey sales, video games etc. but as some said, title IX,as well as the profitability of varying programs and universities makes the stipend solution extremely problematic.

    Great topic. Needs to be discussed. But the sob stories some try to put out there are over the top, IMO. No athlete at a major program is going hungry like some want to suggest. If a player is, then he's not properly utilizing the resources made available to him.

  • The ones who don't go pro have a college degree without paying tuition. Cry me a river.

  • Like some have said women's sports would be an issue you couldn't pay men more than women or even could pay football more than men's basketball. You also would have to make sure that the allowance was the same across the board at every school. You could not give schools the advantage of paying players more than another. I understand the discussion but to me there are no starving or homeless college athletes. They get food bored, clothes, tutors and so on all that the normal student who might be working to pay for similar things the athletes only price is time. Not to mention some students are still paying for college 20 years later while a full scholarship athlete would not be. Both sides I see but it is a slope that the NCAA could have major issues with. Also secondary market price has nothing to do with the issue on face value does.

    This post was edited by Cunni035 12 months ago

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    Roll Tide!

  • Scholarships reflect a small percentage of the total money CFB brings in.

    Next time you sell your house, imagine you're forced to sell it for 10k and then I get all uppity saying that's all you need and that you're lucky to even be getting that.

    I get why it's legal, but I don't support the way it's set up.

  • This is correct, Title IX makes it impractical.

    It always surprises me that so many people here become such huge Title IX supporters when it comes to this issue (not talking about cunni)

    Title IX is a sham and takes away sports that people desire in order to satisfy diversity. I'm all for equal rights but that is far from what law has accomplished.

    This post was edited by faceman237 12 months ago

  • This is hilarious. I am extremely involved at the university, put in around as many hours as football players, and my parents pay $30k a year for out-of-state tuition. Where the hell is my money? I made a 4.0 last semester...and wasn't offered a dime.

    Also, it is laughable to assume that football players are struggling financially. Ever seen AJ's car?....he doesn't need any money. Ever seen TJ's car?...he doesn't need any money. The accessories on both cars alone are worth more than some cars themselves.

    So what should be done? Should every football player apply for subsidies and the ones who are poor enough to get them are awarded money? Ha, no. They can get a new pair of shoes any day they want, they get free food whenever they want, they don't pay a dime for tuition, books, room and board, apparel, and the list goes on. So now they need money for a new Polo, movie trips, and girlfriends? Just because they play football? Should their parents just all of a sudden stop providing for them because they catch touchdowns at a big time school?

    This post is retarded. Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, and Michigan would be able to pay their players whatever they wanted, while mid-majors would struggle financially to support a system like you are proposing. They are student athletes, not pro athletes. They go to class to work towards a degree, and play football. What would have cost an out-of-state player $200k+ over 4 years, costs him and his family nothing.

    Nothing needs to be done about this. Football players at Alabama are already given the world, and I am fine with what they are given, but they do not need any more.

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  • That's why I think offering college credit is the answer.

  • I really don't know enough about all the issues surrounding this subject to have a valid argument either way. However, I do have a question for ecp and bamamanger. What about grant money that is available to players whose family struggles a little financially? I could be wrong but don't they get the $$ even though their school is paid for? I knew some of the basketball guys back in the day and I'm pretty sure this was the case for some of them. If I remember correctly it was a pretty large chunk of change coming in each semester for a 18-21 year old to spend as he wanted.

  • I played in the mid 90s. If you were from a family making 50k or less or your parents didnt claim you on their taxes you got around 3k per semester in Pell grants. After your freshman year you could get student loans totaling about 3500 per semester. That's 6500 dollars per semester to go nuts on. During the fall you can't spend that much unless you go to the mall and blow it all on clothes or you buy a vehicle. either way that's enough cash to do whatever the hell you want to. Now if you don't qualify for Pell grants then it's your parents responsibility. If they aren't supporting you then you tell them they better not claim you as a dependent because you are filing for Pell grants and if the government checks it's on their ass.

    So in the mid 90s that's 6k free money for the fall and spring with an option for 7k more that you have to pay back. That's 13k for two semesters not counting any money you make working odd jobs during the summer. I made about 2k one summer helping a landscaper lay sod and hay it. Now If you can't live off that then you got problems, probably of the drug kind. Plus you're coming out with a degree worth a million bucks at least if you apply yourself in your field.

    I will say colleges could do a lot better in some areas though. Number one being responsible for life for any injuries you suffer while playing for that university. There are ex players that have real problems preventing them from leading normal lives. Universities should be responsible for them instead of cutting them loose and saying good luck with that.

    This post was edited by samdog91 12 months ago

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    "We're modern-day gladiators, and that mental toughness is really important to have in a good team." Nick Saban

  • I wasn't sure because I never asked any questions, but I was under the impression that most of the guys had monetary options available to them and that the vast majority took full advantage of it. With no other expenses you can easily pay for a Dodge Charger or 20 inch rims on the Tahoe with 13k+ a year, much less dinner and a movie with your girlfriend every weekend.

    End of argument iyam.

    This post was edited by ShellCracker 12 months ago

  • You are just bitter. Everything in your post says, "hi, I'm a hater!"....Unless you've walked a mile in my shoes when I was there, you can't tell me a damn thing about what I deserved or didn't. Like I said earlier, if you haven't walked a mile in our shoes, then you have no clue. Your parents can afford to pay $30k a year, so I'm sure you grew up with a silver spoon in your mouth. Did anything in my post state that every player is struggling? There are 85 players on scholarship, not two. Since you seem to know so much, tell me about Fluker's situation, tell me about Jarrick Williams' situation, tell me about Nudie's situation. You can't because you don't have a clue. So spare me the hating crap that's coming out of your mouth.

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  • Please don't take this the wrong way but if they are struggling the way you are saying, why don't they apply for the grants and loans that are available to them? Sure you have to pay the loans back after college, but if you get your degree and you're a football player at Alabama, finding a job and paying that loan back shouldn't be a problem.

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  • Unless something has changed since the mid-2000s, they do. I received 3 hours of credit for baseball each semester.

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  • Oh ya for sure. If you had the restraint to save money for two years you could buy one hell of a ride. You also qualify for larger amounts of money via student loans as a junior and senior. Players that think they will make the NFL would have no worries applying for the max in student loans. And even if they get injured and never make it they still have a degree to fall on to repay the loans. Hell, 20k in student loans equals out to about 200 a month in repayment. These players have access to money.

    And like i said in the last post, there are others that deserve financial support or aid before players start getting paid for play. Take me for example lol. I suffered two ACL tears and three meniscus tears while playing. I'm 36 now and need a knee replacement. And insurance companies don't make it easy on you when you switch. There's been periods of time where I wasn't covered or couldn't file claims on my knee due to pre existing condition and had to go without care. I get shots that cost 3k that I get about every 9 months that help relieve the pain in my knee joint. Orthovisc or something. I've had to come out of pocket for that before, several times. My point being there are people with real problems from playing that deserve better. Not saying that you couldn't afford a new pair of shoes wasn't a problem, but their are bigger issues to address first. And there's players with more severe injuries than mine. Head injuries have the potential to bring down the whole system and are in the process of making a huge money grab play. We will just have to see how it plays out.

    This post was edited by samdog91 12 months ago

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    "We're modern-day gladiators, and that mental toughness is really important to have in a good team." Nick Saban