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Everything about your post says "Hi, I'm entitled to money because I play football at Alabama." Fluker jerseys aren't selling off the shelves, he worked hard for the football team, and received a value of $40k+ a year in compensation. Sounds fair to me.
Oh, and notice how you tell me I know nothing about your situation or "walking a mile in your shoes," and then make a comment about what my parents can afford and tell me I've had a silver spoon in my mouth. Hypocrit.
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You're the one that said that your parents paid $30k a year for out of state tuition. Not me. I'm going off the info that you left. And just admit it, you're jealous and it's obvious.
A college degree can't be measured simply by how much it costs in tuition. A college degree is also an investment that has the potential to enrich your life and the lives of your future family members. Statistics clearly show that future earnings increase significantly having a college degree vs. not having a college degree. Also, it's no secret that former Alabama football players have a major leg-up when it comes to being able to find a job after college. Alumni and booster support in this state for former football players is very generous, to say the least. Then when you factor in the fact that these players don't have to worry about paying back student loans...
You'll have to forgive me if I don't cry myself to sleep every night over how "tough" these football players have it
Not that I expect it to affect anything, but I really am interested in how you would do things differently:
I'm not sure there is a "fair and equitable" way to stipend student athletes, but I do think that finding a way to give them a slice of memorabilia sales, especially with their representation on it (calendars, jerseys, etc) is absolutely fair. However, from an NCAA perspective, that means that schools with rabid fanbases have a clear and quantifiable advantage in recruiting, and their stated position is that that cannot be allowed. So unless all schools have to pay the NCAA a portion of memorabilia sales, which they then distribute to all athletes (maybe just in that division?) - which means that the athlete realizes a whopping few pennies out of the deal - I don't see that happening.
I will say that stuff like this: http://projects.registerguard.com/web/sports/27967585-41/jersey-players-says-asper-money.html.csp is reprehensible. The easy fix is to at least let them keep their uniforms, but since some uniforms are obviously more valuable than others, there's that "fairness" issue again...
Are you really this dense? How do you know his parents weren't taking out loans themselves? Or maybe they just recently came into more money, but before that they lived paycheck to paycheck? You continue to get on your high horse and criticize others for judging without "walking a mile in your shoes", and then you go and do the exact same thing. Get over yourself.
one thing is certain,kids on scholarship usually dont have student loan payments after they graduate.
it's a fair barter :
- play ball & get a free ride PLUS (which isnt a real sacrifice over a 3-5 yr period for the end result)
- work two jobs & pay your own way through school
- graduate HS, get a job, & move own to other ventures.
Ok we have a player from the 90's explaining to us how some of the less fortunate players do in fact have monetary options available to them. Lets take it a step further and look at the actual dollars a year they have at their disposal. Gonna assume $6500/semester in the 90's is a lot more in 2013 but I'll be modest and say 6500 then = 8000 now.
8,000 per semester = 16,000 yr
200 a month perdium = 2,400 yr
25 per game = 300 yr
That's a grand total of $18,700 a year or $1,558 per month or $359 a week! All that without having to pay for food or housing....
Am I missing something here??
Money that you have to pay back. No thanks.
High horse? Dude you don't know me. You get over yourself. You can't attack someone that you don't have a clue about, then don't expect them to retaliate. I was making a case on why players should see more money. I can respect someone's opinion without agreeing. But when you come on here criticizing someone that you don't know, then expect for them to not fire back, then you're the dense one. Your response was one that was not needed, and in no way, shape, or form, did it contribute to this topic. You can exit now. Thanks.
This post was edited by TexasTide21 12 months ago
TexasTide21 I sent you a PM
Ok cool. I'm about to check it.
Well sure man. After you finish getting your degree and land a job you'll have to pay it back in small increments. That's life tho, real life, like after football real life. College football is not the NFL.
Point is, the guys have options available to them to get their hands on plenty of money. And if they manage it correctly, are responsible with it, do the right things in the classroom and get a degree and work hard that last year on networking and such to find a job after graduation, there's no reason any of the players couldn't completely enjoy college life to the fullest without stressing over the burden of debt that enabled them to have a little fun. Or clothes and social things as u put it.
This post was edited by ShellCracker 12 months ago
I understand where you're coming from, bro. Not trying to argue there. You're right...easier said than done, but you're right. I'm not saying that players should get paid thousands of dollars. I'm saying that the monthly stipend should be more than $200....in which gas is going to take over half of it. In the offseason on weekends, we had to find ways to eat, because Bryant Hall was closed. I'm not sure how it is now, but it was kind of tough back then. It would have been nice to get some money, that was earned, without having to pay it back after you graduate. Some of these guys are bitching and moaning like I said that players should get paid like NFL players. These probably are the same guys that think that minimum wage jobs should still pay $5 hr like 20 years ago.
The players whose 'jerseys sell for thousands' are the ones who are going to be making a lot of money in the NFL 3-4 years from arriving on campus. I would argue that most players receive a return at least proportionate to what they give to the University, even if part of that return is NFL money that they receive later because their university gave them exposure, training, and conditioning that would be very costly otherwise. Even on the low end, a scholarship that provides just education/books/meals/housing/athletic development would cost a typical FBS university at LEAST $50,000k per player over 4 years, much more at Bama. That means that, for us to really consider paying athletes money, we have to assume that the average athlete brings in at least $50k on their own over their career after accounting for the additional coaching and facilities costs. I just don't see it.
There are two different points in this debate that are often conflated: need vs. deserve. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Your comment about guys wearing whatever there given from Tank is about spot on, was there 98-00 and many times was thinking dont these guys get tired of the tracksuits and stuff. I got all the same free stuff but never wore around campus but I wasnt thinking at the time that is maybe all they have to a point, again i was in my own little world as well only thinking about baseball and plans for the weekend are and chasing ass
to your point though, almost every guy on the football team is on a full ride. Out of the starting 9 on a baseball field non are on full ride. My roomates at best had 50%. I started almost everygame from freshman on and did not have a full ride, so I dont feel to bad
This post was edited by Bama Boz 12 months ago
What's it going to hurt the university to pay a player a couple more hundred dollars a month? Absolutely nothing. Especially at any SEC school (well, expect maybe UT)....but they can afford it, especially when the top head coaches are bring in millions a year. There's no excuse for that.
Thanks bro. Some people don't understand. If some of these players can't afford to buy clothes now, why would they put themselves in further debt by taking out loans, that unless they make it to the NFL, or land a really sweet gig, they're going to catch hell trying to pay it back in full? About 10 or so years before Coach Saban got here, sticking in the NFL was probably going to happen to only 3-5 seniors, out of 25 or so. The rest were jumping into the real world. So those that automatically assume that a majority of these guys are going to go to the NFL and stick, then they're highly delusional. Only a select few stick around. Luckily, Saban is just recruiting at such a high level, that a few more per year are hanging around.
True--And I planned on playing in the big leagues, was excited to get drafted in 8th round descent bonus then it becomes a job. Getting released around midnight after a game is a big shot of reality and was at a real low point that I thought would never happen. After 4-5 years of playing minor meague ball there is not much on a resume when looking for a real job and are behind others who came right out to the work force. Its all got pros and cons but I got the chance to do alot of what most people hope to do.
Good lord ... this was all he was saying. Some of you are acting like he's suggested $2,000/month and all you can eat at Picadilly everyday. The ones that are bitter over this have never been an athlete with the time, academic and athletic demands on them while trying to juggle a social life and be a college kid too.
I say give ALL athletes more ... how much more is up to someone else ... and if it comes down to not being equitable - which it probably can't - well, I couldn't care less about being equitable. For big money programs like Alabama football, the money ought to be more. For Duke basketball players, the money ought to be more.
For the Georgia State softball player ... whatever.
I'm jealous that somebody is proposing players to get paid? Ha. Am I jealous that I don't play football for Alabama? Not even a little, though it would be fun. If anything, with your complaints and assumptions towards a "silver spoon" lifestyle, you are jealous of me. Just admit it, it's obvious. The silver spoon makes my filets and caviar taste great!
Student loans are a reality for many students. Not just athletes. Does take some maturity and discipline to borrow only what you need and can repay. But it's an option. A guys warning potential in the future is greater than now. So what he,can afford at that very moment doesn't equate to being able to pay off the loan once he lands a job with that degree in hand
It will have to be somewhat equitable, due to competitive fairness and Title IX.Further, giving a percentage of memorabilia sales is "profit sharing" and cannot be done as a nonprofit.
The answer, in my opinion, is to give between $300-$500/mo to athletes.$10-20 a day is burger king/shoes money, and is reasonable.
Again, small schools will want to veto it, but that's why they shouldn't be FBS in the first place.
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