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May turn out better than Conner. You never know with the best coach in the business right now.
Not down that we missed out but lots of oppurtunities for others to develope.
Come on, man.
I'm as hopeful as the next gal, but this guy hasn't played football at a high level in a decade.
RTR Selma, though.
This post was edited by TJsRipplingAbs 17 months ago
I'm not sweating....Ole Siss may pull some athletes in, but that is only one part of the formula. Out coaches are better all around.
"Touch that thang four" - Courtney Upshaw
Drinking this early?
6'4 and 220. I believe he probably could handle himself. Coach Saban could have declined the walk on. Project for sure, but so are any high schoolers.
This guy is a professional athlete with serious skills and experience. He could very well grasp the defensive playbook and perform well. I'm looking forward to seeing how he performs. Nice post.
“Although our intellect always longs for clarity and certainty, our nature often finds uncertainty fascinating.” Karl von Clausewitz
Jai is a stud and is far more physically advanced than Conner. Guy has been a professional athlete and getting the best of the best training for nearly 10 years.
Not to mention he is very intelligent as well. You don't get a full ride to Stanford for both football and basketball and not have "it" between the ears.
He hasn't played football in over 10 years. How can you possibly think that he will turn out better than Conner? If you are saying that he is a project, he is already 28. What is the average age of safeties in the NFL? 26 -28?
Plus, because of what I mentioned above, if he has 1 good year, he will go to the NFL. Correct me if I am wrong, but the NFL requires that athletes be 3 years removed from high school. Conner would be forced to stay for 3 years.
I knew him in elementary school, and I really hope this works out for the best (for Jai and Bama). My opinion is, however, that you are simply wrong in saying that Jai Miller may turn out better than Tony Conner.
Yes, and RTR. Well said.
Miller was already a pro athlete. He knows how to put in work. If we get one good starting season out of a walk on I consider that a win. Not saying he will be better than Conner, just saying majority of walk ons don't contribute as starters
Never Gets Old
How can you really try to definitively say he's wrong when it is a hypothetical situation? All he said was Jai might turn out better, there is certainly a chance he might.
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by Mr Boyd 17 months ago
I think it is irrational to think that a 28 year old walk on could potentially be better than an 18 year old highly rated prospect.
That's all I am saying. Please don't call me the d word.
I've said it before and I'll probably keep saying it until the season starts:
If Jai learns Saban's system, which he should because he's very intelligent, he will play and tear it up. He's much more physical than most of our safeties minus Collins. His physical stature and maturity are way beyond a 17/18 year old kid that's been on a high school workout regimen.
Anybody that knows the kid and has seen him in person knows this.
Collins/Miller/Ha'Ha will be your guys.
Look, it is obviously hypothetical. I am just saying that I disagree with what he is saying.
Frankly, I think it comes off a bit of a case of sour grapes to assume or imply that a guy who hasn't played football in 10 years will be better than a 5 star prospect we just missed out on. You guys have your opinion, and I have mine.
Like I mentioned before, I hope I am wrong, and that he is an All American for as long as he will stay. I do agree that if he does contribute, even for a year, it is a net gain and we should be happy about that.
It's not like he's been laying around eating chips and watching tv for 10 years. Turned out good for Chris Weinke (Heismann) and for Wheeden from OK ST who played pro baseball for a while
This post was edited by shawnboy 17 months ago
Most of us have been talking about Jai before Conner came into the picture. Go back and check out the threads about Jai that were posted in late December and Early January. If he learns the system, Conner, Sunseri, or any of the other DBs besides CD6 and LC will be behind him in the depth chart. PLUS, he's on campus right now... getting in his reps and working out. He has a 6 month head start on the newcomers.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by tarheel03 17 months ago
But, you didn't just say you disagree. You said, "how can you possibly believe..."
Also, I don't necessarily see saying that a player we got could possibly be better than a player we didn't get as sour grapes. He didn't attack TC in any way. He didn't say we didn't want TC. I see it more as being happy about who we did get.
Yes, because he walked on months before NSD. I get it, I am excited about him too. But I think it is a reach to say he could be better than an 18 year old that is a 5 star.
I don't think Jai is out of shape, regardless of his chip intake. But I do think he is already older than the average safety in the NFL, and has an uphill battle in front of him to even get on the field at Bama.
Again, if he does contribute, that is more than you get out of most walk ons. I just wish someone on here would admit that it is silly to think a 28 year old that has been out of football for 10 years may turn out better than a 5 star that played last year.
^^^ this...and not to mention that most athletes are going to be in their prime physically between 26-28 years of age. Also, it's not like he doesn't have a good head on his shoulders ( Stanford offers out of hs ) so he should be able to learn the system maybe even faster. In addition, it cost us nothing to get him against this year's scholarships. Take all this into consideration and I think Jai could get on the field soon and very possibly be the steal of the class...jmo
Pretty sure Weeden / Weinke turned out a tad bit better than the freshman qbs at their respective schools. Didn't they come straight off the baseball field?
Brandon Wheeden was the fourth qb taken in the 1st round of the 2012 draft at age 28
Chris Weinke and Brandon Weeden both say hello.
While you have point that the OP does come across as a little homerish & sour about losing out to Conner, you are pretty much wrong w/ your notion that it is irrational to think players can come back to a sport they excelled at in high school after years away from the sport in MLB/minor leagues. Weinke and Weeden both did so pretty successfully at a much more difficult position than Safety (which is why it took 2+ years before they took over the starting jobs)
Now, it's obvious that Jai has a long road ahead of him to be an impact player on our team, w/ a bunch of talented players w/ experience in front of him. But to say it is irrational to think he can succeed, especially considering he is both mature physically and mentally, is, well, irrational.
edit - I guess I'll be third in bringing up the Weinke/Weeden comparisons, lol
This post was edited by acal85 17 months ago
"Once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places you have to look at it right."
1) The Weeden/Weinke thought - The average age of QB in the NFL is higher than a safety. I get what is being said abt it being a hard position to learn, but so is safety in Saban's D. I think it would be harder to come back and be a contributing safety for Nick Saban than to come back and be a contributing QB for Mike Gundy. Yes Jai is smart, and was offered by a school where smart people go to school. I get that. Let's not put him up for Mensa, yet. Also, please tell Brandon and Chris I said hello.
2) I am not saying it is irrational for someone to return to a sport they excelled at in high school. I believe he can do it, and hope he does. I think it is irrational to assume that after being 10 years removed from said sport, they will be better at that sport than a kid who is a consensus top five player at his position in high school.
I have not said that this is impossible or that I am pulling against him. I do think that if Tony Conner would have signed with UA today, he would have a better chance of contributing than Jai Miller, regardless of Jai's more mature physical stature (Conner is not your typical "safety that needs a year or two in the S&C program), supreme intellect, or head start on learning the system.
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