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Mike McNeil (everyone's favorite barner after last week's expose') has SUDDENLY changed his tune and is going to change his plea from not guilty to GUILTY of first degree robbery. Hmmm....wonder what could've made him change his tune over the weekend?
He went from "let's bust Auburn's azz/I'm completely innocent!" to "I'm going to sing like a canary behind closed doors and implicate myself" in a matter of about 72 hours. He has maintained his innocence THROUGHOUT the proceedings. Since Day One.
Obviously, Auburn did NOT want this thing going to trial, as 9 or more former AU football players - all with a potential axe to grind - were set to take the witness stand in his trial this week. Now, on Monday morning, he suddenly gets this burden put on him and settles before it ever gets to trial. Why now?
This reeks of one of two things:
a) Either Auburn got in touch with his family and agreed to "take care of them" off the books in order to make this go away, and in an effort to protect his family's interests Mike's taking one for the team
b) Auburn worked their magic politically down there and came to terms with the prosecuting attorney/local DA to "make this go away" with a significantly reduced sentence or some BS community service, etc.
Either way....something stinks down there today. And I'm not talking about the cow turds.
This post was edited by NashTide 12 months ago
Have to say - I saw this coming.... worst thing that could happen - former players go on the stand...
AUmazing the sht they get away with
You have to tip your hat to them. They suck at a bunch of things but cheat like their hair is on fire and get away with it at about a 98% rate.
Yes. It is the ONLY scenario in which the NCAA would have had anything concrete (in their terms) to go on. They lack subpoena power, but once this got into the legal system they could have had a field day.
Almost all of the players - if not all - were kids who either had a beef with Auburn or in 2 or 3 cases are looking at 10-15 years in the slammer anyways. Nothing to lose.
Auburn couldn't afford to take the chance, so they bought off the family or the prosecution and McNeil lacks the stones to stand up for himself.
The most likely scenario here is simply a plea bargain, rather than an Auburn conspiracy. One guy was already convicted, the evidence was overwhelming, and he faced an almost certain 15-20 years in prison if he went to trial.
Not everything is a conspiracy, unless you are a barner.
This should be a lesson to all reporters hoping to get dirt on Auburn. GET VIDEO WITH CLEAR AUDIO OF YOUR SOURCE TELLING EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND ASK THEM TO PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE THEY HAVE. Else wise, it'll always end up like this. Player makes a claim, AU gets to player or their family and makes sure the player has a change of heart.
Who cares? Auburn is exposed for what it is. The NCAA is a terrible organization anyway and honesty what can they do that AU hasn't already done to itself?
Choose not a life of limitation
McNeil, who was probably least complicit among all of the defendants, got a 15-year split sentence. Antonio Goodwin, who was already sentenced, also got 15 years. Why would McNeil, who by most accounts had less direct influence on the crime (and arguably zero involvement in its planning) get more than the ring leader?
Neither one of them will serve more than 3 or 4 years.
I'm not a "black helicopter" kind of poster. I try to look at things objectively. But McNeil has maintained innocence throughout this process. Even to the point of getting to the week of the trial, and after a concerted media attack was launched essentially on his behalf last week.
Why would he plead out and still serve jail time after vehemently denying any wrongdoing from Day One? If he'd just let it ride, he still would've only served a few years in jail. It's not like getting 3 years jailtime and 3 years probation on a 15-year sentence is some kind of prize for him. That's probably all he'd have served anyways.
After Goodwin got 15 years, Mcneil would be dumb to not take a plea...........the article that came out last week only made him sound foolish......blaming Auburn's spice problem for him and a few of his goonies choice to commit armed robbery. I know it was a mistake/bad choice but man up. Hell, Goodwin will be nearly 40 when he gets out if he serves a full sentence.
There were so many procedural issues in McNeil's favor, though.
He was the only one of 4 defendants not to receive his Miranda Rights. His family was apparently intentionally misled institutionally (both by the authorities and Auburn U) in the hours immediately following the crime while he was being detained.
The other defendants and those around him before the crime admitted that he was not involved directly in the planning of it.
None of these guys are serving their full sentence. Not saying that's right - but that's our legal system. Any attorney worth his salt would've been able to poke so many holes in this case he'd have gotten the same deal he got in the plea bargain - 15 years split serving 3 and 3 on probation. This isn't some cherry deal.
Hell....Saul Goodman could've struck this for him.
You are very informed and using facts. No a lot of that on these boards. Thanks!
I guess it's easy to play "what if" with someone else's life. Getting 3 years to serve versus a possible 15-20 years sounds like a good bargain to me. There was little chance he was going to walk, but at least some chance they were going to throw the book at him. One never knows how the judge will act in sentencing, so why take the risk?
And no, McNeil has not maintained his innocence. He admitted to being there, and pulling his shirt over his head while in the trailer. In the eyes of the law, just being there for a ride-along during a crimes is the same as holding the gun, no matter what he thinks. As the saying goes - "there are no guilty men in Shawshank."
As for the timing of the stories - it makes much more sense that the timing of the stories has to do with his trial date - getting press while it's relevant (ie just before trial). It also makes sense that his plea bargain would occur just before trial.
I'm curious to know what you conspiracy folks think was said to him to convince him to take a plea or to the DA to offer one? To think that some mystery AU people hold that sort of sway/power and fear is barner logic.
Certainly you can agree that there are varying degrees of complicity or involvement, and such circumstances can and do have a direct impact on the outcome of cases, or in this case, plea bargains. Additionally, he was not afforded due process during part of the arrest, which would've factored into the case almost certainly. He wasn't getting "15-20" no matter how you slice it. He wouldn't have received that sentence and absolutely wouldn't have served anything close to it.
This deal is a standing offer that's been on the table for weeks, if not months, by admission of those covering the story this morning. It's not like he got to the gallows and they threw a deal at him. This had been there for the taking, but again, he had recently maintained his innocence. Something happened in the past few days to cause him to reconsider. Perhaps he thought the Roopstigo story was his trump card and then found that it didn't carry the weight he hoped it might? That's possible.
His direct quote this morning still essentially maintains that innocence. Something along the lines of "I was informed of what they are trying to say is the truth, but I am not saying it is."
Re: "conspiracies" I'm not dumb enough to think this couldn't have evolved as you say. I'm also wise enough to know how business is handled down there.
The fact of the matter is - there was a very concerted PR effort launched in McNeil's defense, and he seemed ready to take his chances in court. 8 or 9 former Auburn players were set to take the stand this week - opening a giant can of worms for Auburn. Suddenly, only a few days later, he changes his mind and takes a deal he could've gotten anytime, and likely still could've served had he been found guilty and kept his stuff straight for 3 years in jail.
Do you think people aren't "gotten to" every day in this country? Why would his family be SO IRATE toward Auburn, enough that they'd be willing to take their chances before a jury, and then go underground on it less than a week later? It's in Auburn's best interest for this to go away. It went away.
"That's the way it goes. But don't forget, it goes the other way too."
Or he's actually guilty(shocker!) and didnt want to spend 15 years in prison. Geez, not everything is a conspiracy guys. I agree with the above posters that self-imposed sucking is better than NCAA imposed sanctions. Now they have no legitimate excuse for sucking.
Or we are just sick and tired of their continued manipulation and cheating system that apparently will never get challenged by the NCAA. I hate them and it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they left the conference and we never played them again. Playing them doesn't help us at all and they do more harm than good in this state.
I'd rather spend my time enjoying a true rivalry like LSU, where there is no envy or constant cheating or trying to bring us down. LSU respects us and we respect them, they don't try to be like us and we are not trying to be like them. Two great schools who always want to beat each other but at the end of the day can at least co-exist.
This post was edited by Varitek822 12 months ago
How dare you bring logic into this.
Maybe when its dakota mosley's turn ,,,we may get some fireworks
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