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It's a slow Saturday so wanted to get a little discussion going. How do you guys see our front 7 next year stacking up against power running teams? I know Travis stated the other day that we will have one of the best front 7 in college football and I agree but we do lose a lot of our run stuffers. With the way Saban is recruiting we usually don't "miss" players from the previous year, however, I think we "miss" Jessie Williams as much as any defensive player we've had while Saban has been here. I watched the Lsu game from this year again and it amazed me how many plays Williams made. I'm not necessarily talking about tackles but rather beating his man or taking on a double team and making the RB bounce the play outside and someone else making the tackle. I think we all saw what happened when he went out during the seccg. We also lose Square, Dial and Nico. That is some serious run stopping right there.
Now, I realize we have recruited better than anyone in the country the past several years and have studs waiting their turn. I'm by no means am worried about next year, just want to get some discussion going. I think our DL has the ability to be a little more athletic with Pagan, Stinson, Petway, Fanning (if he can ever put it all together). Ivory and Paige seem to be capable for the job but really no one knows how that front seven will stack up against a power running game like Lsu or uga. Basically, we lose A LOT of beef and do we have the guys in place to compete with the physical play of Lsu?
I'm definitely not saying big Jessie isn't important, but him going down in the SECCG was made to look even worse because Ivory couldn't come in and Square had to try to man the middle. I like Ivory a lot, he has shown improvement throughout the year. He stuffed the middle on that 3rd and 1 in the 4th qtr against UGA that led to our go-ahead final score. I think with another spring and fall camp Ivory is gonna do a great job filling Jessie's shoes.
I know Jessie made the stop on that play. Was Ivory in at the same time?
I wouldn't count on any guys to make an impact that are not currently on campus. That said I really hope Lake can develop into that monster in the middle rotating with ivory. With the other guys on the outside Bama should be fine but the middle is vital
I think Ivory will prove to be a good run stopper to replace Williams. We've got a ton of depth at end so that isn't a worry. Nico might be felt the most, but I have a feeling one of our backers steps up next year. Just hope our secondary tackles better next year. They've left a bit to be desired in that aspect this year IMO.
We will be better on Defense across the board next year. Losing Williams and Square is tough and most teams would take a step back but I believe we will actually improve.
At Noseguard, Ivory and Lake are going to be a great combo. At DE, we have Stinson and Pagan back as the likely starters with more depth than ever behind them. Pettway, Fanning, Kirven, Ball, Love, Tomlinson, and Paige will provide plenty of "beef".
At LB we are basically bringing back everyone. Losing Nico is not going to hurt as bad as people may think as he plays less than any of our top 3 Inside Linebackers. CJ and Depriest will be the best combo of Inside LB's in college football. Behind them there is plenty of size and speed. On the outside, Hubbard and Dickson will both be back and better. Hubbard will probably play at 250+ next year and be stronger against the run. Dickson is already a monster against the run. He absolutely blows up his man when setting the edge. Depth there will be great as well with Devall working his way in to the lineup more and more. I believe Jonathan Allen will be a factor next season as well. This is all without mentioning Dillon Lee, Anthony Orr, and potentially Pettway and Walker.
All told, our front 7 will be elite against the run (as usual) and will be better at rushing the passer.
On that note, a lot of folks seem to think we have struggled as rushing the passer this year. We have as many or more TFL's this year than we have ever had with Saban at the helm. Our pass rush has been very good. We don't have a Clowney type player but very few schools do.
I think our defense next year will rival what we put on the field in 2011.
You're exactly right. I got Lake and Paige mixed up.
They were in side-by-side. Ivory went to the ground, and Jessie made initial contact, but without Ivory getting that little push that hole would have been open.
I see what you're saying. We do have a lot of depth and names to throw out but do we expect Ball, Love, Paige, Pettway, Fanning, Kirven, Lee, Orr, Walker or Allen to be able top stop lsu's power running game? I think the question we need to ask is can Ivory, Lake, Stinson, Pagan, Dickson, Hubbard, Mosley, Depreist and maybe Ragland stop the run without Williams, Square, Dial and Johnson? I have no doubt Saban will prepare for this and again am not worried but just getting some discussion going.
This post was edited by tide10 16 months ago
I wonder if Alphonse Taylor will move back to NT in the off season
I think the answer to your question is yes. Absolutely. Some of the guys that you sort of "write off" in your first sentence are guys that will be in the rotation on our D-line and will absolutely need to be involved. As far as the projected starters in our front 7, they will be elite at stopping the run. I have no doubt in my mind about it. No team in the country will have more talent in their front 7. I'm not sure I understand why you doubt it. We stuffed the run before we had Williams and Square and we will stuff the run after they are gone.
Let's just say we want to line up in a "run heavy" look. We typically run our Base 3-4 against run-heavy teams but this year we ran some packages against LSU that we didn't see against anyone else. With that in mind, I will have Ivory and Lake on the field at the same time for this package. Let's see what kind of size we can come up with.
Jack: Dickson - 6'3 265
DE: Lake - 6'3 320
NG: Ivory - 6'4 320
DE: Pagan - 6'4 285
Sam: Hubbard - 6'6 248
Mike: Depriest - 6'2 245
Will: Mosely - 6'3 235
There is a 7 man front in a 3-4 look that would put a D-line averaging over 305 pounds up front and a Linebacking corps averaging over 248 pounds. We could sub Ragland in for Mosely and get even bigger, but I'm not a fan of taking your best Linebacker off the field and Mosely can stop the run just fine. Not many front 7's in college football can put that kind of size up front.
This post was edited by spenceco 16 months ago
I would add that we are going to be better at 5 of the 7 spots. Stinson, Mosley, Depriest, Hubbard, and Dickson are all returning and will all be better players. I know Nico plaayed in Base but Mosley is just as good against the run and will show it next year in a full time role.
Ivory has proven to be effective this year in the run game and he will only improve. Also, Pagan should be as good as Square next year so I do not see stopping the run to be a problem at all next year.
questions in need of answers this coming spring are
we run a 4 man front more than not & next years group should be solid. the one thing i would like to see is Sunseri seeing time at WLB to get him on the field at the same time w/ either Collins or Williams at saftey paired w/ Dix.
This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost 16 months ago
You forgot the (g).
For the love of god, no more taylor to defense please.
The guy is an OL. Doesn't have the body or quickness for DL
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