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Why are we not playing on offense at the pace we played the last few minutes of the game tonight? They were passing and moving the ball and taking shots without thinking they may get a better look if they don't shoot it. Everybody was making shots or taking good ones because they were in rhythm and not just standing around. It blows my mind. I am beyond frustrated.
This post was edited by scott713h 13 months ago
The only reasonable answer I can think of is the lack of depth. It's hard to keep up that kind of pace with the number of players we have. And yes, critics, Grant is ultimately to blame for this. I think this offseason is pivotal for the direction of the program. If he manages to bring in a good recruiting class and fill out the roster, we could be a very dangerous team next year. On the other hand, if all this happens and we still look anemic most of the time, we might have to make some changes.
Lack of depth is no reason to not play with urgency and purpose on the offensive end of the floor. I'm not asking for full court pressure all the time. I am asking for ball movement, ball penetration and shots taken without hesitation. We did all of that the last 5 minutes of the game. And I haven't seen it from us done that well since the 2nd half of the Villanova game and we beat them by 20 in one half because of it.
Understood, and I agree with you, but I think Grant does believe that his only chance is to shorten the game.
I think it's a strategic decision that ultimately could backfire on him as it turns off fans and recruits alike.
So in the short term, it *might* have won him a few more games this season (maybe not) but in the long term, I'm becoming concerned that it's putting him in a position that is increasinly difficult to revitalize the program as fans and the additional talent he desperately needs, are less inclined to walk thru the doors @ Coleman
So he is trying to not lose the game as opposed to going out and winning it? If that is the case he shouldn't come to work tomorrow.
It is just a BS idea, I remember watching UCLA win a national title in the 90s with only a 7 players and they didn't shorten the game like we do. The still scored 60 to 70 points every game. Heck they beat Arkansas in the National Title game that year, when Arkansas was 10 deep and the returning national champs.
That was a whole lot different 7 players than we have. They could also score.
well that is true, man I still remember at the time thinking there was no way they could beat Arky in the national title game. Couldn't have been more wrong.
Seriously, I don't expect us to run and gun to try and score in the 80s, but with a 8 man rotation, we should't have to slow it down to score in the 50s 75% of the time. Most teams only play with a 8 man rotation and don't slow it down like we do.
Have a great night Dave, I really got to go to bed now.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by robert1975 13 months ago
This is always the case. Never play with any urgency until the hole has been dug!
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We have a lot of depth at guard.
This is offense we're talking about, not pressure defense.
We could play a frantic pace on offense since we have 6 guards(if you include Devonta) who can shoot the rock. But Grant's not going to budge on that because he's set on winning his way.
That's NOT what the poster said. He clearly stated that CAG is going what he believes gives him the BEST chance to WIN.
Well obviously it doesn't give us the best chance to win. We are 19-11 and most of those wins are by the skin of our teeth.
I may not agree with it, but that seems to be the strategic decision that Grant made for this season. With this roster, he feels it is our best chance to win the most games over the course of THIS season
You are all idiots. Why is everyone so hung up on the scoring streak in the last few minutes of the game? We made 5 straight 3's, of course it's going to make the offense look great for the time being. We were just uncharacteristically making long range shots. I want Grant fired just like the rest of you but it's the same as a 2 minute offense in football. Always looks better when you're coming from behind. The basketball IQ of Bama fans sickens me. Go back to football instead of making ignorant basketball posts.
Really? Of course nobody expects them to make that many shots but we should be getting shots up like that. The fact is we pass up a lot of the shots that we made at the end of the game and shouldnt be. Maybe you shouldn't make an ass out of yourself by assuming something like that.
They played that way in the last few minutes because they had nothing to lose. They were not thinking about people not showing up to games. They were not thinking about people questioning their shooting ability, basketball IQ or how they didnt deserve their highscool ranking. For a couple of minutes they were where they were in highschool, they were in enemy territory and believed they could win! Lack of confidence creates hesitance, poor decision making and affects motor skills. When you are put in situations were the penalties for failure are lessened you revert to what you know. We can all agree that Coach Saban is the BESTin the land! The only he thing he asked for from the fans was POSITIVE ENERGY! Enviroment has the greatest effect on the development of any living thing both good and bad and is impossible for a coach to totally control.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Red dredd 13 months ago
WTH??? Who's on my account?
Tight coach = tight players. He has to find a way to loosen the reigns and get these guys excited about playing basketball. For whatever reason he decided that the best way to win was to shorten the game. This puts a lot of stress on guys at the end of a shot clock and creates a lot of close games. Earlier in the year we were playing a looser, faster brand of basketball. We need to press 75-85% of the time. It energizes this team. To do that, we will need to press off of misses as well as makes.
If you have been watching the last few games than everyone should know that Obasahan MUST play more. This kid is getting better and better and he provides an energy that we don't get with other guys. Even if he makes a mistake it seems to be full speed.
To me....it isn't a style of offense issue as much as it is a style of play issue. You can run the shot clock down while still taking some open shots early in the clock and also running the offense with a purpose. I can't stand watching our guards run off of a screen standing straight up and then catching the ball moving away from the basket between the circles.
I love CAG. Loved the hire, like what he's done with our pressure defense and pressing style. He's brought in some good athletes and some good shooters. Trevor Releford has developed a good outside shot this year. But CAG needs to change the offense...play to our athletic guard-heavy lineup's strengths. I can't name another team in the country that's so guard heavy and plays the pressure defense style, but runs a lethargic offense.
its just like the 2 minute offense in foozeball
This could be a dangerous team WITH A BIG MAN. He needs to somehow get that one part of the offense that is missing either by recruiting or developing.
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For me, it's this...
1 - More Obasohan please. The kid has energy and makes things happen
2 - I don't understand our full court pressure. Most man press / run and jump style pressure teams do not always trap up from the ball side - they lock down the ball side and bring traps from the back/weak side where you cannot always see the trap coming, rotating up with the back weak side defenders. We have very little element of surprise with the way we run our pressure - which is why we don't get much out of it.
3. We look bad on offense the majority of the time because against man to man, all we run are set plays for the most part. In college basketball, with the type of scouting that goes on, it's hard to do this night in and night out. There is a place for sets, sure, but there has to be some motion principles as well that are somewhat unscoutable.
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