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But you could also say that this team did what that talented '09 Florida couldn't do, and that's repeat.
It's really hard for me to decide which of the 3 is best of the best. I was in the dome in '09 when we dismantled Florida and I was in Pasadena for the game against Texas. That was a truly special team. I was in Tiger Stadium this year for "the drive". And also in T-town last year for "the game of the century."
I really think you could make a convincing argument for any of them.
The team with best offense in the history of Alabama (at least most productive) and a #1 defense gets no respect (G) for their championship, man are we conditioned to LOVE the D!
I completely disagree that '11 LSU had no offense. When LSU wasn't playing UA they scored 40.9 PPG, so they had quite an explosive offense. We just had one of the best defenses of the modern era IMO, definitely the best I've ever seen.
That's how I think they would rank if they played a round robin against each other.
I agree with this.
LSU looked so incompetent in the championship game that it's easy to forget how dominant LSU was against everybody who was not us. They totally dismantled a lot of good teams. I think 2011 LSU was one of the best teams of the past decade, and we beat them like a rented mule.
LSU's offense got a lot of help from short fields from Wing. & takeaways & returns by the Honey Badger. When they had to drive the field on offense. They didn't look as good.
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Exactly, that was by far the biggest misconception coming into this season IMO, that LSU was bad on offense and that their QBs were terrible last year. That was just a pure myth. Before the bowls, Jefferson and Lee were 1 and 2 in the SEC in pass efficiency. And as you said, LSU averaged over 40 a game when not playing Bama.
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Average margin of victory (BCS opponents only and includes margin for defeat)...
2012 - 24.82
2011 - 24.11
2009 - 15.2
Do you think the 09 team would of beat A&M after a game like LSU? The schedule lined up great for that team IMO.
I know people always try to make more of undefeated seasons but the 09 schedule was set up perfectly. Didn't play any good teams back to back and played one top 10 team.
I'd make it 2011,2012,2009. I just don't see 09 having enough talent to compete. The one thing it did have was a chip on it's shoulder and that is alot.
If you looked at player for player how would it stack up. 2012 would start every player on the OL, TE, QB, and the 09 team had only one WR. I'd also take a healthy Lacy over MI. So... maybe 2 on O. Maybe 3? What about D?
I think the DL is very close. Cody or Williams? Washington or Square? Stinson or Deaderick? I'd give 2 of the 3 to 09. LB? Would only take Ro and I'm not sure he is better than CJ. After that would definitely take Hubbard, Trey, Dickson over Reamer, Anders and Williams. Secondary is a wash IMO also. Milliner or Jackson (I'd take Milliner). Javy or Belue (got to go Javy). Barron or Perry (biggest difference of all positions IMO though a case could be made for Fluker over Davis at RT). Lester or Woodall (Lester IMO).
There are two very key areas that I see the 2012 team having. That is depth and a much better qb. Those two things (and have more overall talent) are the deciding factors. The 2012 team had way more depth at every position. I see the O being dominated by 2012 and the D being split. Considering the strength of this OL I'd have to go with 2012 by 10.
Forgot to mention that I don't think the 09 team would have a chance against the 2011 team.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by cwaters2 18 months ago
The 2009 Gator team avged over a td less scoring per game. Their D was about the same. The Gator team the year before was better than the Gator team Bama played in 09.
I just don't see how the 09 team (half full of Shulas guys) is better than this 2012 team which ended with a better D in almost every category and a better O in every category. I think it'd be a 10 point game.
This Bama team does not lose to that Gator team either. I think they blow them out. This OL and team is much more talented.
Even Saban talks about how this group over achieved.
The undefeated thing means absolutely nothing to me. Do you think either the 2012 or 2011 teams would of lost to a team on the 2009 schedule? The 09 team played one team ranked in the top 10. They did not play back to back teams that were very good. The best back to back teams they played all year was Ole Miss and USC (who we played terrible against).
The 09 D was not heads and shoulders better. May have been a tad better (and that's debatable) but not heads and shoulders better.
Add in 09 was the hunter and not the hunted and they had more to prove. That plays a huge part in this.
Overall: 1)2009 2) 2012 3)2011
Offense: 1)2012 2)2009 3)2011
Defense: 1)2011 2)2009 3)2012
Special Teams: 1)2009 2)2012 3)2011
Would LOVE to see '11 1st string defense vs '12 1st string offense
This post was edited by Theta 18 months ago
Exactly. People that say they had no offense clearly didn't pay attention to any of their games outside of the Bama match-ups.
'11 LSU would beat '09 UF by double digits 8/10 games, if not more... imo, of course.
40.9 ppg... more than our offense averaged this year. Sorry, but Honey Badger returns and punts aren't THE reason for that type of success on O.
Please don't say talent is the reason. If you give me they're better because they went undefeated then I guess that's ok...talent?
Anders Reamer, Woodall, Drew Davis, Marquis Johnson, Lorenzo Washington, Collin Peek, Mike Mccoy (and really Maze and Hanks ended up playing) were all starters. None of those guys played/play in the NFL and most didn't get a sniff. They wouldn't play on this team... actually they wouldn't be on the roster. They started.
Look at the LBS for goodness sake. Anders, Reamer, Harris, Chavis Williams and Nico as a frosh. Not much talent their. Those guys couldn't come close to stopping the running attack of 2012.
LSU in 2011 was by FAR more dominant than UF in 2009. It is not close.
UF's margin of victory in the SEC (excluding Alabama) was 15.6 in 2009 and they beat UT by 10, Arky by 3, South Carolina and Mississippi State by 10.
In 2011, LSU's margin of victory in the SEC (excluding UA) was 34.6 (i.e. they beat the fck out of everybody)! There wasn't another team to keep it within 16 pts the entire season.
Plus LSU split with UA whereas UF was destroyed by UA.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing but if we are just blindly assuming that UF in 2009 was better than LSU in 2011, I think we are completely wrong.
For the record. That's more than the 09 Gator O scored.
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