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Could someone please explain to me how he dominated teams(including us) in college, but he doesn't look any better than Freddie Kitchens in the NFL?
Everything he did at Florida was based off the read option and playing against inferior talent....Combine that with a bad throwing motion (slow wind up) and NFL corners and you have a bad mix...I still think there is a place for him in the NFL just not with the Jets....The Jets talent on the offensive side of the ball is horrible...
In college, his ability to run struck fear into opposing teams, including us in 2008. Dedicating yourselves to stopping his run opens you up to man coverage and Florida had a few pretty well rounded receivers during the Tebow years. College teams were opened up to the jump pass, Tebow play action( he takes two steps towards the line of scrimmage then back up and throws it over your head) there were so many things Tebow and Florida could do to take advantage of teams selling out to stop him from running. So to answer your question, NFL teams are not afraid of TeBow running the ball.
To say he played against inferior talent is simply not true. The guy played & put up huge numbers for 4yrs. in the SEC. That is some of the best talent you can play against every year.
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Hey compared to the NFL yes. I am not knocking Tebow but his throwing motion and accuracy against NFL corners is not up to stuff..The SEC has the best talent in college football but they are not NFL .
I really hope you guys aren't trying to discredit Tebow. The guy won 2 National Championships in the SEC. That's close to impossible. Many many MANY players who are studs in college don't pan out in the NFL. NFL is a totally different beast, and something as little as what KLJ pointed out (throwing motion) will hurt you. Same thing goes for NBA (See Tyler Hansbrough and Jimmer F).
Florida created an offense around him. NFL teams are asking him run their own offense.
He had all kinds of firepower around him. Now the talent around him is less than across the other line of scrimmage.
Tebow just found his perfect storm in college. Many players have been a system QB and a bust in the NFL like Timmy Chang.
See this link...
He can't pass the ball.
And THANK GOD my Jaguars didn't trade for him. Some silly over reactionary decision that woulda been... to put butts in the seats.
Sticking with Gabbert looks to be paying off.
(and Blackmon looks GREAT!)
This is the correct answer.
Look...I'm a Broncos fan & overall I'm glad he's not starting. Wish we still had him as a backup though. So he could've learned a few yrs. from a great like Manning.
Tebow won 1 NC as a starter. I realize he made a couple plays for them in 2006, but that team was led by Leak and their defense. Tebow was basically a runningback for them that year.
Name a running QB that has done well in the NFL... and there is your answer.
Because things that work in college, where it's possible to have a big talent edge over your opponent, that won't work in the NFL.
When he can run, he can pass because of the holes it opens up in the D. In the NFL, he can't run effectively. Remember all the trouble he had against us in 09 because our LBs were so big and fast and athletic. In the NFL they're all like that.
I think he could do well in the NFL if they would just leave him in the gun and run quick plays...sort of a Mike Leach or a run and shoot offense. But the Jets have ZERO offensive talent. The lack of talent coupled with the worst OC in football (Sparano's offenses were terrible in Miami yet he somehow got the OC job in New York) give Tebow no chance to succeed.
I'm pretty sure ALL NFL QBs had offensive firepower in college. That's why all of their stats were impressive enough to get drafted.
Same reason Danny Wuerffel didnt make it in the NFL. Both dominated college but were system players. Once they were outside of the system, they didnt have the skill set to make it.
And the competition gets tougher for everyone QB entering the NFL. So stating he is playing better competition is not the answer. The talent Tebow faced was as good as he could have faced in college. Scheme, and as another poster stated, his dual threat ability which is not there in the NFL made him much better in college.
Tebow's "couple of plays" got UF to the National Championship in 06, regardless of the position he played.
Sticking to my original point. Don't discredit what Tebow did in college just because he's not doing well in the NFL. It's like somebody saying, "How did Reggie Bush and Matt Leinhart beat us when they were at USC?" Well, it's because they were beyond ridiculous in college. Even though Leinhart is a ZERO in the NFL and Reggie Bush hasn't lived up to his hype, you can't discredit how great of players they were in college.
Some players a) peak in college or b) can't adjust to the nfl system
....and a new Round Table phrase is born....haha
"The Lord just wasn't with us, Coach."
"The Lord," grumbled Bryant, "expects you to block and tackle."
Rick Bragg, August 8, 2012
Sticking to my original point. Don't discredit what he did in college.
People speak of his release and that is a problem, however, he is unable to read defenses at the NFL level. That is his biggest problem. Florida's passing game wasn't the most sophisticated thing in the world. UF's receivers could get open for 2 reasons: 1) Every defense was hyper concerned about UF's run game with Tebow, Rainey, Demps, etc... So defensive backs were always looking in the backfiedl, while trying to cover receivers. 2) Like it or not, just b/c SEC had the top talent UF had way more talent than most teams they faced, at that time. Therefore, Tebow's first throwing option was usually open or he could get out of trouble and make a play. In the NFL, the defenses are more complex, the talent level is better, even on bad teams. Tebow simply can't lock onto one receiver anymore and he can't always out run defenders like could in college..
I'm not discrediting him. I realize the games are different. He is/was one of the best college players ever and he did it against the best competition imaginable.
This is most of it. The 2009 Bama D was the closest thing he saw to an NFL defense and it exploited his deficiencies. The above comments are why I've lost a lot for pro ball as a whole. Other than different uniforms, everything on the field is homogenized to death. Same offenses, same defenses, same coaching philosophies. No real creativity or variety. What UF brought to the SEC under Meyer was new and fresh and it took a while for teams to figure it out.
Look at his win/loss record as a starter in NFL. Led an average bronco team to playoffs last year. Manning will be hard pressed to do the same. Yes his throwing motion sucks but the kid wins. I would not be suprised to see him as jets starter by end of year willing his way to victory and everyone still caught up in things like throwing motion and accuracy.
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