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Well ... all the recent developments with the Cleveland stuff just has me thinking, and sometimes I waffle between Saban actually leaving for the Browns and not. Some things that have stood out to me recently ...
*Terry Saban comes out in an interview and talks about Kirby being a great fit to replace Nick. Taking this out of context, I know, but then ...
*Smart turns down Tennessee AND Auburn? How many better first-time jobs are there? Red flag? If you're trying to land your first HC job, why would you turn down either of those? I know we all hate Tennessee and Auburn, but those are great gigs as a 1st-time HC, I don't care what anyone says. Does Kirby know something we don't?
*Saban's pride and ego. Hard to fathom "failure" and Saban in the same sentence, but whenever his NFL experience comes up, that's how he's tagged. How big a deal is it?
*Mike Collins, current LBs coach at McNeese State, says he's positive Saban is gone. He was Saban's LBs coach in '04 at LSU. A guy I coached with in Louisiana said he talked to Collins and said Nick is doing all the things he did when he left for the Dolphins - quietly denying interest, still recruiting his ass off, etc. Then ... gone.
*Lucky backing away from his stance earlier that Saban and Terry are here to stay is also a red flag to me.
But ... then I think about all the reasons you DON'T go to Cleveland ...
*You're in a division with Pittsburgh and Baltimore who, along with NYG and New England, are the two most well-run organizations in pro sports. Yes, they're aging franchises, but they seem to have a much better track record for attracting free agents. If you're a FA in demand, you're not going ... to Cleveland, Ohio. So you have to build thru the draft.
*Organizational control ... he had it in Miami. He was offered it in Tampa. Why leave and turn down, respectively, those jobs ... in Florida ... to go to CLEVELAND, Ohio?
*Legacy. Which one is more important - restoring his NFL legacy or further polishing his college one? I know people speculate about Saban preferring the challenge of the process of building, but he's never had the opportunity - not many have - of answering the challenge of staying on top of the game. If he leaves, he'll go down as one of the best college coaches ever. If he stays, he could end up THE best college coach ever.
*And if he leaves, he does so at 61. He'll have to give the NFL 2-3 years again. And if he decides he doesn't like that anymore ... then does he come back to college again? And rebuild all over at 65-plus? Doesn't seem likely.
Anyway ... just some thoughts. If he stays, heaven continue to help the rest of college football. If he leaves ... I'm buying a Browns hat. :-)
Y'all have a great weekend, Merry Christmas and Roll Tide!
This post was edited by 92DT 19 months ago
Saban is a teacher and strict disciplinarian... Not a baby sitter for ego driven millionaires, who are not willing to check their prospective egos at the locker room door... Just my 2 cents!
I think you're probably right, Bere.
Sorry, Bama Tree. You can choose not to read or respond.
What if he did leave. We name Kirby HC and we win our 3rd BCS NC in a row with a 37 year old HC who adheres to the same process as his predecessor? Rival fans may begin to "opt out".
there is no opening at the browns.
Let this "story" die already.
MY GOD PEOPLE!!! He isnt taking the Browns job! Heck they still have a coach who isnt doing that bad. I think you are fishing for things in your post. Over the past two weeks Lucky, John Clayton, and, his name slipped my mind, the radio guy in Cleveland, who some on here said was very connected, said this isn't happening. Why cant some move past this. I do not believe he is going, but IF and a big IF he did there isnt a dang thing any of us can do about it. Stop worrying over it. We are playing ND for or 3rd national championship in 3 years. About all your concerns
1. Terry's comments taken out of context. Also if she thinks Kirby would be a good hire for Bama after Saban how on earth does that tell anyone that he is leaving or how you could draw that conclusion?
2. So what is Kirby turned down the dumpster fire that is UT. The man can be patient and take a job he thinks will be a good situation. Just because it was UT doesnt mean that he might be looking for a the best situation for Kirby.
3. Anyone's own ego can be used to make it seem like they are always looking to do something else. When in actuality their own ego may be the reason they are staying where they are at.
4. On Collins, maybe he has an ax to grind or is just messing with your friend. That guy is pulling at strings and I would bet he doesnt have some of the sources close to Saban and the NFL that Lucky and John Clayton have.
5. Lucky didnt really back away from it. He said he might talk to them out of curiosity and respect but said people close to Saban believe he is here to stay. Lucky also said in the second sentence this " I continue to believe that Saban intends to retire at the University of Alabama -- with no plans of retiring in the near future." Not sure how much clearer that gets.
Not trying to flame at all just frustrated we cant let this go.
This post was edited by Cunni035 19 months ago
First I've heard that smart turned down TN. It was reported that they went another direction and smart would have taken that job.
I hear ya man. Just some thoughts and opinions ... on a ... message board ...
Collins has no ax to grind. Just two coaches talking, neither are Bama fans or anti-Bama. Just talking football shop.
All fair points DT, but I lean on his statement that he made a mistake leaving LSU. I just don't think he enjoys the NFL.
Kirby didn't turn down Tennessee.
ALL COMMENTS I AGREE......JUST THINK ABOUT THIS......Pittsburgh is one of the more successful NFL teams in the league's history....look at their personal problems on and off the field...CNS is smarter than that TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE PLAYERS ........the Media is just out of something to talk and write about and Saban is the their meal ticket for better ratings and he should send them a bill for "Services performed" at his pay rate they may not like that and shut up!!!!
If Saban had never coached in the NFL I would be more concerned, but he has and he found out it is not all it is cracked up to be. In College you can recruit 25 1st Round Players Every Year. In the NFL you get one or best case two 1st Round Drafts. Then you factor in that College Players can still be molded, while NFL Players not so much. Also NFL Players don't respond the way a College Player does to Discipline. I have Faith that Saban will not leave for NFL Job. That not to say he may retire in the next couple of years, but NFL is a been there done that thing.
This....is the detail people keep ignoring. The Browns will likely win their 4th game in a row on Sunday, and are playing their best ball in a decade.
If he stays after this year, he will not leave till he retires IMO.
I have no doubt Saban would think about another NFL job. He's just too good at what he does. I hope he stays but if he left in the middle of the night I would wake up and thank him for turning our program around and be a Nick Saban fan, wherever he goes. I'd also like to add that i would welcome Kirby as our new head coach with as much optimism as I had when Saban stepped off the plane in 2007. I really have little doubt that the Alabama train would keep on rolling with Kirby at the helm. Lots of folks think he needs to be the head man somewhere else before here. Why? Why take the chance on losing someone that could be great? Who else would you rather have? Peterson? Gruden? Patterson? None of those jobs those guys hold comes close to the pressure cooker Alabama is. Kirby is the absolute closest thing to Saban that there is. I think you hire Kirby, seriously commit to giving him 5 years (no matter the win/lose record) and let him grow into the job. Remember....Many felt Saban wasn't ready for the LSU job when he left Michigan State. Saban even lost 4 a few times at LSU but LSU gave him time to work it out. Kirby or Saban for that matter may lose 4 games at Alabama in the next few years. That's just how it is. I hate that college football has become so ready to fire a coach after 2 seasons. Coaches need 5 years. Take Colorodo for example. That guy got 2 years. His first recruiting class were redshirt freshman when he got canned. It's crap.
This post was edited by DrStache 19 months ago
I'm just going to enjoy the moment.
Deal with what ever may happen, if and when it happens.
That being said, I'm on vacation until after Bama wins another BCS championship!
This post was edited by wertyders 19 months ago
92.....I am surprised u would post something like this .....
I'll believe Coach Saban is gone, if and when he's gone. He's earned the right to do whatever he chooses, be it a return to the NFL or retiring in the college game. We owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude for the results he has achieved and the foundation he has built for the future. The state of Alabama football will be on solid ground when, and after, he finally bids adieu to the Crimson Tide.
In the past 12 months, I've lost a child and my mother. In fact, I last saw my mother Christmas Eve a year ago. Just a few months later, my son followed her to heaven. After the pain, sorrow, and anguish that comes with the untimely lost of loved ones, my perspective is much different now than it was before then. It really is just a game, after all. Coaches and players come and go, some you win and some you lose. I still bleed crimson, but I didn't live and die with the Tide this season. After being fed a steady diet of sh!t sandwiches this year, this Alabama alumnus enjoys the banquet even more.
Ha, why's that? Just thinkin' and speculatin'. Nothing wrong with that. Ultimately I think I believe what he says about being done with the NFL, knowing who he is and what he wants to do/where he wants to be, etc. Not trying to troll or piss anybody off here ...
Amen, tigger, and condolences on your losses. It has indeed been a tougher year for you than most. Thoughts and sincere prayers for a much better 2013 - you have certainly earned that.
I have thought about the same things when Kirby didn't take the jobs.
QUIT POSTING OPINIONS ON A MESSAGE BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!
RTR and Merry Christmas....
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