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^^^^This is exactly the point
Urban Meyer HAS to have a dominant QB or his offense flat out will not work. Look at his first 2 years at Florida and his final year at Florida. His offense sucked. A good coach adapts to the talent that he has. Urban HAD to have Tim Tebow to win. His offensive is based of having a superstar at QB. Hell give me Cam Newton or Tim Tebow and as little as I know about coaching I bet I could win a few games to.
Look at the shape he left Florida in his last year. He didnt develop his backup QBs and just single handly relied on Tebow to win the games for him.
This post was edited by beastman321 15 months ago
This goes for about 99.9% of the media pundits and their jealousy towards the Crimson wave. I've been saying it every since '09 and Ingram won the Heisman. Take this year for instance, Barrett doesn't repeat as Outland winner, Bates (Ole Miss) is chosen as best defensive back over Milliner, and Manti Teo wins every single award in sight...when CJ whipped everyone all year long. The so-called expert analysts (Meyer/Holtz) and media gurus are nothing more than glory boys for ratings!
ok so cheesedip is a good coach???????
so is the cheese a good coach???-cam
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no. only I get the downvotes for saying that.
You are wrong about 1. Everyone knows he is not a good coach.
wrong about 2. You was the on saying you had inside info of things going on there l thought as he was leaving. Drugs maybe????
#3 Cam Newton, Vince Young say HEY.. SMH Don't wanna go into my past post on this subject and get the proof cause i gotta go to work..
#4 You really are trying hard.
Vince Young Texas... Hello??
I don't know. He has it made in the Big 10. i do believe he could do as well as the guy before.
Maybe BYU in 1984, but even then some would say their QB (Bosco, I think) was great. He wasn't. That's the only exception to the rule you propose. Overall, I think we have to objectively give Meyer credit for his rather impressive record. Otherwise we end up sounding like Spurrier criticizing Saban (i. e., "anyone can win championships at Alabama"). Meyer has great records at three different colleges now, and while he has inherited enviable talent at at least two, he still coached them well, and arguably exceptionally well.
I do believe, however, that Meyer was processed at Florida and moved on to a conference where the competition was much less demanding. He was at Florida just as Tennessee was beginning to implode and FSU was on the decline. Every year his regular season was determined by just two games: LSU and Georgia. Win or split those two, and he would be assured of a place in the SEC Championship Game. The arrival of Saban changed all that. His last two games against Saban were beatdowns. I just don't think Meyer could live with that, and the likelihood it would continue into the future. Besides, he can win the Big 10 most years, and if the SEC will just knock each other off and out of title contention, he will be able to face off against a Notre Dame, Oklahoma, FSU, or Oregon for the title. It was a smart move on his part.
I agree with all that but anyone that wins 2 NCs has to be at least a very good coach. The first one Tebow only came in very sparingly. Meyer may have walked in to good situations but he kept the recruiting at a very high level. I think he also does a goof job in preparing his teams. Not to Sabans level but still pretty darn good.
I'm not quite sure what it takes to impress some people, but Meyer has a pretty impressive resume. Sure, he hasn't done what Saban has done, but who has?
Florida had talent when he got there, but they were still 23-15 the 3 previous years before him, and were averaging under 8 wins a season. The 6 years he was there, they averaged almost 11 wins a season. Yes, Tebow fell in his lap, but no more than any other coaches that have thrived off of top instate talent falling in their laps as well. He also did win the first BCS title with Chris Leak as the starter, who was far from being a great QB.
At Utah, they were 17-17 the 3 years before his arrival and he went 22-2 there in 2 years. I know you have the whole Alex Smith argument, but it's not like he was a highly recruited prospect coming out of high school. He had a great high school career, but most thought he wasn't quite an elite QB and benefitted from having Reggie Bush as his RB and WR.
If that doesn't impress you enough, at Bowling Green, they were 12-21 the 3 years before his arrival there and went 17-6 in his 2 seasons as the HC.
People hate Urban Meyer and many think he is overrated, but the man can coach. When he left Florida, he had done nothing but coach football for 25 years. I don't tend to question why the man left Florida, but more about what he has done while coaching.
Sure, Ohio St's 12-0 this season wasn't that daunting when you look at what their schedule was, but they also scheduled light for a reason, IMO. Being on probation and not being able to compete for a championship can change a team's motivation. The year for them was probably more about improving and not results. Don't forget though that this team went 6-7 last season. 12-0 is a big turnaround regardless of the competition. If tOSU had our 12 game regular season schedule, they still probably go 10-2......maybe 9-3 if you think about the difference in them playing Michigan in September and November as tOSU definitely was a much better team late in the season that they were early in the season.
"Don't confuse association, with something we both really like." ---JB
I agree with this, although you won't find much agreement on here, which I am sure you are aware of.
Mack Brown is the most overrated coach in America, by a mile, but Les Miles, is only a mile behind him, IMO.
He definitely has left every program better than he found it. Florida may not have been better that it was during the time as he was there, in 2011, but he did have the foundation for this Florida team in place when he left. They lost a lot of recruits to disciplinary reasons that left them down in 2010 and 2011, but the 2012 team wasn't exactly built by Muschamp and personally, I think Meyer would have at least had that offense in better shape with Driskel in his system.
Agree completely. UGA has great players. LSU has great players. Neither coach at those schools won like Meyer won.
Tebow most certainly was not going to play at Florida under Ron Zook. His parents hated the guy and that is why we had so much momentum with him early. If Zook would have been at Florida, Tebow's recruitment would have come down to Alabama and Georgia, with Alabama probably winning out as I don't think his dad could have stomached him going to UGA, but the Tebow family did like Richt as well.
He is a quitter and he lied to the Gator nation. Saban beat his ass and he could see no way he could ever overcome Bama again. In the short term, he knew his talent could not compete. So he said "Game over. I quit."
You're not going to get roasted but praised on this board. People hate Urban Meyer on this board.
What coach has won without great players?
Besides Saban (who has more great players than all the coaches who have won lately) what coach over the last ten years has won a title without great talent?
Miles? Brown? Tressel? Stoops (who won with someone elses players by the way in his second year)?
Would you really take any of those guys over Meyer? An argument might be made for Pete Carrol but he was convicted of cheeating to win. Bobby Bowden at 85? What NC coach would you take over Meyer?
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