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Is he really that bad of a coach? bad assistants? Whats missing there? In all honesty I thought he was going too be good there.
There were a LOT of changes that needed to be made in that program when Dooley took over. They are certainly headed in the right direction, he will need a year or two more though.
I hope so, there's nothing better than the 3rd Sat in Oct when both teams are legit
Good coach with good players but, unfortunately for him, going against better coaches with better players.
Exactly same thing with Auburn they need much more time to fix the issues.
You're joking right? I hate UTk. I hope they suck forever.
No, its not the same at all. That coaching staff is a joke. They recruit thugs, and their players act that way on and off the field. If theyre ever gonna change theyre gonna need a major overhaul of that whole program. And that includes some of the "behind the scenes" people there.
Kiffin wrecked that program. And the biggest problem is that once Tennessee was out of sight and out of the minds of top recruits for a few years, it really wrecked their ability to recruit nationally.
Surprisingly, the state of Tennessee doesn't produce that much top grade D1 football talent. At least not commensurate with their population. So for years, their brand and their ability relied on their ability to recruit nationally. Fulmer was really good at that when he was there.
But once they slipped up, they lost that foothold. Now they're paying for it.
I was kidding...however Dooley still may not be their answer. He really hasn't consistently shown he can improve anything. He reminds me a lot of Mike Shula. It just seems he's not quite ready for that big of a job. To jump from La Tech to UCheat is a significant jump. Sort of double A to hitting clean up for the White Sox in one step.
Something no one is pointing out that needs to be stated in all the Dooley defense. There is a chance the talent level may dip more when he runs a team completely of his players. He still has some lineman that he didn't really do the leg work on like Jawaun James who we had committed for awhile. He does honestly need more time, but the love affair with him is beyond me. For everything said in defense you could come back with other issues like his handling of Bray. Personally being good man doesn't always mean you are a good coach. Only time will tell. We will see.
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Fulmer wrecked the program, why do you think he was fired. The talent level went way down his last several of years coaching. I will agree Kiffin didn't help matters but he wasn't the root cause. Look to FatAss Foolmer for that award. RTR
Sorry that I like beating Tennessee when they are good?
I see your point. I hate Tennessee, but i do think strong rivalrys are good for college football.
I agree, Fulmer brought most this on them. Karma? I like to think so.
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Before Fullmer took the helm at Tennessee, there was great respect between Alabama and Tennessee fans. Bowden Wyatt, Doug Dickey, Bill Battle and Johnny Majors were all class coaches who followed in the footsteps of General Neyland, who along with Alabama's coaches Frank Thomas, Wallace Wade and Paul Bryant made the Alabama Tennessee rivalry legendary. I am among those who would love to see the third Saturday in October return to the glory years when it exemplified everything that is great about the game of college football.
He's doing what their program permits. In today's SEC they are mid tier school, not elite and certainly not in the class of Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Florida. If they are smart they will leave him alone and eventually he will make them as good as they can be. But do not be delusional like many of their fans - the best they can be in today's world is not what they think.
I am in my 60s and have lived in Chattanooga a good part of my life. I agree that Alabama vs Tennessee used to be a special rivalry. Fulmer and his actions took that to hatred. I will never respect them again, I will always hate them for trying to tear down the program I love. I hope the inbred bastards never win another game. RTR
ut didn't want us to be good when we were struggling on probation and coaching changes. Their fans loved it and their head coach was one of the ones trying to end Bama football. I enjoy ut losing every game they play. I hope they never win another game. I don't care about them being good so it's a good rivalry again, I dont care about what's good for college football. I care about what's good for Bama. ut sucking is good for Bama and it's good for my enjoyent. Screw ut!
Foteen, hmm. Is that your age?
Cosmo3 is right on target, Fulmer wrecked Tennessee. When Roy Kramer was exposed and could no longer run interference for Fulmer and cover up their cheating, Fulmer could no longer compete.
Ronald is right on target also. Before Fulmer there was respect between the two schools and their fans. I have been going to Bama vs UT since 1960 and before Fulmer I never had a problem with their fans. We would joke back and forth and enjoy the day. Fulmer did everything in his power to destroy Bama and Roy Kramer helped him. I hope they never win a game in my lifetime.
No, Ronald, it's your IQ for wanting ut to win so that the rivalry can return to it's former glory. I hope you enjoy cheering for ut and good luck with that. I, like most Bama fans, will be pulling for them to lose every game.
I think we too often forget how difficult it is to consistently recruit at a high level in the SEC. It is even more difficult to consistently develop those highly rated players. Saban is not normal. Most coaches have a down year in recruiting or get burned out and have some mediocre seasons (see Meyer, Urban). Saban is relentless. He never has a down year in recruiting and when his teams don't perform to expectations it is rare and short lived. Right now there are two teams in this league who are wearing the Daddy pants and that is not changing with the current crop of head coaches in the SEC (not convinced Muschamp will get UF to elite status again).
If any fan base should know how difficult it can be to right the ship, regardless of your tradition and heritage, it is us. UT is stuck where we were before Saban arrived. They are in need of a dynamic leader who can move the needle and consistently recruit and coach at an elite level. Derrick Dooley is not that guy. If he were, he would have already turned it around by now (how long did it take CNS?)
UT will have to hit a Saban-like home run (if one even exist) after the season if they hope to return to the elite. Dooley or Kiffin hires won't get it done.
I think he's done about as well as he could do with the situation he walked into. UT's talent level has been way down and the rest of the SEC has been hitting their stride in the last few years. No coach could lead the UT teams of the past couple years over the Bama, LSU, or Florida teams of the past couple years.
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