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I'm a young buck, but he's definitely the most dominant coach I've seen in my lifetime...X's and O's and recruiting. Just curious as to where CNS ranks among the greatest coaches in CFB history?
This post was edited by Zeelous1 10 months ago
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The elusive 3peat would solidify his dominance. But winning a couple NCs in the playoff system would also go a long way.
He avgs a NC every other year in the SEC or petty close. That's just crazy
Best I've ever seen in all facets of coaching . It's not really very close and I go back to the 70's.
You HAVE to look at the era in which coaches coached. Thats a must IMHO. As cutthroat and demanding as college football has been been the past 20 years, I believe its WAY tougher than any other era, ever. NCAA limitations over limitations etc etc. This is the BCS era and theres only been 2 coaches to have more than one crystal ball. Urban and Saban. Urban has 2 and Saban has 4. FOUR!!!
Quite frankly, there is NO parity in college football because of Nick Saban and Alabama. Yes, Its gone that wild.
Not saying GOAT or not, Im just helping out with the current situation. Its an interesting topic. Bryant and Wilkerson sure were good.
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I'll go a step further, Urban may have gotten zero if Saban had never gone to Miami.
Doesn't matter what he does. A lot of olds will say bear, Bo, bobby, etc were better
Bobby? Hell no.
This right here.
CNS is dominant at Bama and was headed that easy at LSU. Bryant was dominant in 3 different eras. 1 when players played both ways, then with pro style offense, then with the wishbone. They both worked with what they had. Bryant did It longer, Saban did it faster. Both have their place In the conversation.
The difference in Bryant and Saban is that Bryant could get almost all of his 3* players to play like a 5* player. Saban skipped that exercise in motivation by not filling his roster with 3*'s. In other words, Saban finds a diamond in the rough occasionally and Bryant put himself in the CFB HOF with them.
Nicholas Lou Saban:
11 years as an SEC HC. 4 National Titles.
11/4 = 2.75
The man averages a national title every 2.75 years as an SEC HC.
Put that into perspective:
Steve Spurrier has 20 seasons as a SEC HC. And only 1 National Title.
So 1 NC every 20 years.
Saban = GOAT.
This post was edited by coolstorybro 10 months ago
10 Major Poll National Titles (CFB record)
35 Bowl Wins (CFB record)
72 Wins over last 6 years (CFB record)
Right now I have Saban right behind Bear. If Saban wins one more championship I think he becomes #1.
Football wasn't really integrated when Bryant was a coach. Not fully. The speed strength and caliber of today's athlete is dramatically different than what Bryant coached. Because of that it will always be an apples and oranges comparison.
What Saban is doing now is truly amazing but what Bryant did in his era was unheard of too.
I still think the 3peat will be the separation point, but then that brings up the fact that Bryant did it twice and got screwed twice.
Really depends on how you define the question. Like all of you,I love having CNS as our coach. The GOAT debate is hard to do across eras. One way to try is to compare how the respective coaches compared to the coaches of their eras. Coach Bryant dominated his peers in all respects. He towered over the sport and his peers in a way that is hard to imagine - not just as a coach but as a personality. CNS has clearly separated from his peers but not to the degree that Bear had. Part of it too is that Bear was the man for so long. Bear remains GOAT but I hope that one day I can say the same for CNS.
could you imagine Saban signing nearly as many people as he wanted kinda like back in the day...it would be ridiculous
Never thought I'd see this day, but its true. Go back to the late 90s and that statement would have got you shot.
That would have been something to see. Saban definitely has his place on the Mount Rushmore of coaches.
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CPB got a lot of 3*'s and tweeners but lets not kid ourselves about the studs he had on the first team. The difference was in those days there were not NCAA limits on the amount of players you could sign. Much harder to win now IMO with the limitations and the scrutiny.
CNS is tops IMO and I am well old enough to remember most of the CPB era.
It's really not that hard. I was and am a Coach Bryant fan but with the 85/25 rule and 0 for against Parseghian barring a collapse in the next few years I can't see CNS not being GOAT. I will add that I was too young to really speak about the 60's but Coach Bryant could and did sign as many as he wanted.If CNS could do that it would be ridiculously slanted in his favor.
Bottom line is - enjoy this folks it truly is unprecedented .
Saban is great, no doubt, but he is reaping the benefits of what Bear built. He had never put back to back 10 win seasons together before coming here. His first 5 years aren't that drastically different from those of the Stallings years in terms of # of wins. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trade Saban for an other coach in America, his relationship with Alabama is mutually beneficial.
I agree that CNS is the best. The unlimited players myth kinda baffles me though. That is something the barners and and coaches who consistently lost to him came up with. Notre Dame, Texas, USC, Michigan state, Ohio st etc could sign the same amount of players Bryant did. We weren't filling the NFL with talent compared to what the Northern and West coast teams were doing. Hell, we didn't integrate till 71.
This post was edited by luciano 22 10 months ago
We were DOA when Saban arrived and there's no denying it ,totally irrelevant. I am shocked at the speed we have made it back to our rightful position as the bluest of the bloods.
True, but look at Bama's record the few years prior to Bryant
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