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can someone please explain how much he can play wo burning the redhsirt?
can he even play in the SECCG, Bowl, etc?
he plays it's burned. either game. simple as that.
Don't understand why anyone worries about redshirting these days. Most saw this guy as a three year guy when we signed him. He's still been around the program all year learning and if healthy could help the team and get a chance to be involved in a couple of big time games. That experience could help going forward with 3 years to play. From our side of things by his would be redshirt Sr. year we will have signed four or five more just like him. Same could be said for most of our guys.
He is a medical RS, and not a medical hardship waiver, so if he plays it's gone. Under a waiver you can play < 30% of your team's games and still be eligible, but you have to have competed in at least 1 contest during the first half of the season.
God, give me patience today. If given strength I may beat someone to death.
And that's the beauty of where we are as a program - where burning a redshirt after the end of the regular season doesn't really matter.
That is why Saban tries to play as many true freshmen as he can as long as they are far enough along to contribute. You only have to be out of HS 3 years to be draft eligible so why waste one.
I understand your question, and this isnt directed at you, but why are we still talking about this?? Red shirts are irrelevant in college football in todays game(at least at the skilled position). We're not talking about burning a red shirt on JUST ANY TWO games...what we have done the last few years is unheard of to be in the hunt like this! U do what you have to do NOW! He gives us the best vertical threat outside of Cooper. And again OP, not directed at you AT all! Good question though. But this red shirt topic needs to be put to bed!
This post was edited by bamalledroc 20 months ago
Not sure if I am remembering correctly, but didn't Darius Hanks sit out a couple of games at the beginning of last year because he played some snaps in a redshirt year? If Black plays does he lose a whole season of eligibility or is it a certain amount of games? These two situations maybe entirely different scenarios but thought I'd ask.
Think this is right
Basically Hanks went in on a ST play and played 1 snap by accident.
Bylaw 14.2.6 - allow a student-athlete to be granted an additional season of competition in a case where a student-athlete "participated in a limited amount of competition due to a coach's documented misunderstanding of the legislation or other extenuating circumstances."
Bylaw 18.104.22.168.1 states that a student-athlete who receives such a waiver "shall be withheld from two contests of intercollegiate competition for each contest in which he or she competed."
Darius Hanks was granted another year under a rule titled coaches misinterpretation of rules. He played a couple of plays against a lower classification opponent and that was the stated misinterpretation, the penalty was 2 games. The term medical redshirt does not appear in NCAA handbook, it is a term created by fans and media. Chris Black is redshirting, the medical hardship waiver is for someone who plays in less than 30% of scheduled contest concluding with conference championship and is injured before half way point of season. If Chris Black plays in SECCG he loses redshirt. The question i have not seen answered is if he only plays in bowl game does that negate redshirt, I would think that it does based on a season of competition rather than a calendar year. The upside is that if he plays he still has the redshirt in case of injury in one of the next three years, he could apply for waiver and gain that year back.
It may have already been said in this thread, sorry I didn't read everyone's post.....BUT in this case with C Black....
It Doesn't Matter that much if he burns his redshirt or not. If we need him to play, he should play. The rule to go pro is 3 years removed from High School. Not 3 years playing College Football. If Chris Black is as good as we think, he can leave after 2 more years regardless of a red shirt this year or not. So, if its removed, he can turn pro and enter the draft as a legit Junior (3 years counting this year) or a red shirt Soph. (still 3 years counting this year)
If he keeps the shirt - does anyone think we keep him 4 more years? That would be 5 years removed from High School. He could lose the shirt and still play 3 more years for us by staying his senior year.
I'm sorry but I've got to rant for a second...
Why does everyone assume that he is going to go Pro after 3 years on campus? Go back and look at the top 20 WR's in 2009 and 2010 and count how many are expected to turn pro this year or have already gone pro. You will find a lot of big names on that list (DJ Coles, Andre Debose, Marlon Brown, Patrick Patterson, Nu'Keese Richardson, ect) but you will find VERY few NFL players or prospects. I'm not knocking Black's ability (I think and hope he will be a great player) but how can any of us be certain that he will be declaring for the NFL draft in 2014 or 2015 before seeing him play a single down of college football?
As for the eligibility questions...
If he plays 1 play in ANY game for the remainder of the season (bowl game included) he will lose his redshirt. The Darius Hanks situation was very unusual and does not apply here. In Chris Black's case there are no loopholes, no "what ifs", NO redshirt if he plays.
There's another aspect to this though, by which with the talent that we're bringing in and the restrictions of class sizes that there's not very many people who get to stay around for five full years. Maybe they won't be done in three years, but they're done in four one way or the other. Sure we've have a few redshirt seniors from the 07 and 08 classes, but it's going to become a lot more rare.
I get everything your saying and I think sometimes were reading things into a post not completely there. I never said we know he's good enough to go pro and if the post implied that I did not intend for it to. As a matter of fact, the sentence speaking on him started with - IF he's as good. not he is as good. I was just posting in return to some not wanting him to play only because they don't want to burn his red shirt at this point because it takes time from him at BAMA.
Yes, if he is a player that would stay 4 years and play through his senior year then playing these two games would cost him one year. He then would have 3 more left to play. BUT, on the chance he is as good as people like Lunginbil, other high level ranking analyst think....then he could try his luck at the NFL in a few years. Therefore, playing in these two games in all reality will have zero effect on that timeframe anyways. So we can do away with that ONE complaint against playing. That's all. Hope that comes out better.
I have no clue if the kid is good enough to play at the next level. I do know this....many players we are recruiting these days will have a chance. Better than avg chance so to put it down as if we have no clue isn't correct either. We do. And so called experts in the field tell us about this player for example on top of that. ? Only time will tell and we all know that. But, if our only feelings on him playing are because we want more time for him to play at BAMA....there is a chance that simply won't matter in the end regardless of how minor that chance may be at this point.
This post was edited by BB2One 20 months ago
I was not directing that post entirely towards you BB2One. I actually didn't realize I quoted you in my previous post until just now so I apologize if you felt attacked. You raise some fair points and I 100% agree that we should not worry about losing his redshirt IF our staff thinks he can help us win these 2 games, regardless of how many years he plays at Alabama.
Coach Saban wouldn't play Black unless it had been discussed with him. If the player wants to play then let him play. I just don't see where this was only one person's decision.
No personal attack felt. Just answering in general as well I think a better way to say all I meant is...were at a level now that if a kid can play and help us win important games - put him in. I think we will be fine down the road
After all, we play to WIN It All...and even though it seems easier to do lately for us, these chances really don't come around too often.
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