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D. Pollack: "Least Talented Bama D in past 4 years"

  • bamamba1989 said...

    Do you think Mett would have had 300 yards against our 09' team? 11'? or last few games of 10'? argue

    Probably not 09 because that secondary was very experienced and did not make many mistakes. He would have put up similar numbers against the D from 2010. Hell, Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson beat us with big plays in 2010. When you say "the last few games of 10'" you are talking about a season that ended with 2 losses in November and a secondary that was clearly the weak link in our D that season.

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  • jsmoore11 said...

    Mett played FAR better than any LSU qb has in years against us. His WR's were well covered. Looked just like the 08 UF game. Where all if those amazingly talented players you mentioned go Tebowed.. Prior to last week this defense was just as impressive as last years, with more turnovers. Lets see if we get back to the norm, of if we were exposed. My bet is on option 1.

    No. Even before last game, it was obvious that this year's D is NOT last year's D. They do create way more turnovers, but they are not the 3 and out machine that last year was.

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  • manley0702 said...

    No. Even before last game, it was obvious that this year's D is NOT last year's D. They do create way more turnovers, but they are not the 3 and out machine that last year was.

    Completely agree. There is no doubt that last years D was better. They were an absolute wall. It was nearly impossible to move the ball on them. This years D bends. They have a great knack for creating turnovers and negative plays, much like LSU's D did last season. I think we will have a 3 and out machine that creates turnovers by the truck load next season. Making it Saban's best D ever in 2013.

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  • spenceco said...

    Also, you must not be reading all of my posts. I am not saying that this years D is better than 2011. I am saying that they are as talented. They are also clearly a better defense than what we put on the field in 2010. But, this argument is about the word "talent". It is not about what defense is better or what Mettenburger might have done to what defensive group.

    I agree that this is way better than 2010, but it is not as good nor as talented as 2011.

    manley0702

  • bamamba1989 said...

    Do you think Mett would have had 300 yards against our 09' team? 11'? or last few games of 10'? argue

    Also, you must not be reading all of my posts. I am not saying that this years D is better than 2011. I am saying that they are as talented. They are also clearly a better defense than what we put on the field in 2010. But, this argument is about the word "talent". It is not about what defense is better or what Mettenburger might have done to what defensive group.

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  • manley0702 said...

    I agree that this is way better than 2010, but it is not as good nor as talented as 2011.

    I think we will see a lot more of these players given serious NFL consideration next season. Trey Depriest, CJ Moseley, Adrian Hubbard, Xzavier Dickson, Denzel Devall, Ed Stinson, Jeoffrey Pagan, Dieon Belue, Haha, Landon Collins, and several other young players all look like future draft picks to me. Combine that with Nico, Jesse, Milliner and Lester and I think I think we are more talented from top to bottom right now than the 2011 group.

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  • bamamba1989 said...

    08' maybe and first few games in 10'. Not a single game in 09' or 11'

    Tebow did the same thing to our secondary in 08 and utah shredded them to pieces, 21 in first quarter.

    Garcia did the same thing in 10. Lee also played well against us at times. Arky qb ripped us apart in the first half

    It wouldn't happen in 11 bc they would eventually knock the guy out like they did with florida and arky.

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  • hytboy12 said...

    Not popular but he is right IMO. There is not a safety that plays significant snaps with Barrons talent. There is not any combination of LB you can offer me alongside CJ that I wouldnt trade Upshaw and Hightower for. I will take Dre K and Menzie alongside Milliner over Fulton and Belue. LSU scored 6 total points in two regulation games last year with a more experinced OL. They scored 17 and could have been more in one regulation this year. Sorry just facts. As other have stated, we are still the best defense in the country. We are a better offensive team this year. We are the best team in the nation. I do think we have high end talent with little experience waiting to play. I think the future safety combo of Collins and Williams will be more athletic than Saban has had at UA. We are great and will continue to be while Saban is here. However I agree with Pollack.

    I agree that this year's D is not as good as last year. But all those guys you mentioned, DH, CU, DK, MB, etc. gave up more points in 2010 then this group did to LSU. This group also did not give up 5 yards a carry and over 200 yds of offense.

    If we are talking about pure talent (not experience included) then this D is right on par with last year's group. The difference is guys like Depriest, CJ, Belue, Vinnie, and HCD don't have the years in the system as the 2011 group had. Over fairer comparison IMO is 2010 to 2012 (this puts talent on center stage and doesn't include experience).

    cwaters2

  • "The talent discrepancy between this year's D and the 2009 is almost laughable. This year's D is way more talented. This year's D is also putting up numbers that are statistically superior that 2009."

    Actually, no it's not laughable. '09 secondary was considerably better. The D-line was better with Cody and Dareus. The linebackers would've been as good if Hightower didn't get hurt, and I'm still not sure the difference is that great compared to our linebacker core this year. But I think everyone misunderstood the point Pollack was trying to make. Even though, in his opinion, this is the least talented Bama defense in the last 4 years (and that is saying something about the way Saban recruits), we still are churning out the same results as the previous 4 years. He was trying to make the point that this is still the same disciplined, gap-sound style of defense that makes it so tough to play against. Our defense is as much about knowing your assignments as it is the talent on the field. That was Pollack's point, but it was missed by a whole lot of super-sensitive people.

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  • I Like the Bill gates analogy.... We are not a rich this year...but we are richer than the others.

    So Pollack and Corso...

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    Burn baby burn. & Go to hell tennessee

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  • Fur_UA said...

    "The talent discrepancy between this year's D and the 2009 is almost laughable. This year's D is way more talented. This year's D is also putting up numbers that are statistically superior that 2009."

    Actually, no it's not laughable. '09 secondary was considerably better. The D-line was better with Cody and Dareus. The linebackers would've been as good if Hightower didn't get hurt, and I'm still not sure the difference is that great compared to our linebacker core this year. But I think everyone misunderstood the point Pollack was trying to make. Even though, in his opinion, this is the least talented Bama defense in the last 4 years (and that is saying something about the way Saban recruits), we still are churning out the same results as the previous 4 years. He was trying to make the point that this is still the same disciplined, gap-sound style of defense that makes it so tough to play against. Our defense is as much about knowing your assignments as it is the talent on the field. That was Pollack's point, but it was missed by a whole lot of super-sensitive people.

    I didn't watch the segment but that makes a ton of sense.

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  • bamamba1989 said...

    Do you think Mett would have had 300 yards against our 09' team? 11'? or last few games of 10'? argue

    In that environment? Yes.

    Did you watch our D get it handed to them at LSU in 2010? We let Jordan Jefferson and J. Lee throw for nearly 200 yards for god's sake. We also gave up over 225 yards on the ground. That is the game we got dominated.

    Did you see our secondary get burned by AU and Cam Newton in the passing game in 2010 in the second half?

    Our 2009 Defense gave up nearly 200 yards and 2 tds to Chris Todd at AU. A team that was not near as talented as LSU this year.

    We are talking about 1 game. If it happens again. It may be something to pay attention to. Until then it is something that just happens to good teams sometimes.

    This post was edited by cwaters2 on 11/10/2012 at 1:30 PM

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  • Fur_UA said...

    "The talent discrepancy between this year's D and the 2009 is almost laughable. This year's D is way more talented. This year's D is also putting up numbers that are statistically superior that 2009."

    Actually, no it's not laughable. '09 secondary was considerably better. The D-line was better with Cody and Dareus. The linebackers would've been as good if Hightower didn't get hurt, and I'm still not sure the difference is that great compared to our linebacker core this year. But I think everyone misunderstood the point Pollack was trying to make. Even though, in his opinion, this is the least talented Bama defense in the last 4 years (and that is saying something about the way Saban recruits), we still are churning out the same results as the previous 4 years. He was trying to make the point that this is still the same disciplined, gap-sound style of defense that makes it so tough to play against. Our defense is as much about knowing your assignments as it is the talent on the field. That was Pollack's point, but it was missed by a whole lot of super-sensitive people.

    Eryk Anders and Corey Reamer started on that team. Let that explode in your mind for a minute. Now think about the depth on that team compared to now. It's not close.

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  • This defense is a machine now. Plug in and play. But that takes talent, and Bama has lots of talent to employ. I took issue with Pollard's comments because they seemed both hyperbolic and inconsistent. All preseason long, the talk was about how Alabama's possible weakness on defense was going to be a matter of inexperience, not talent. Now they, at least Pollard is, saying it's a difference in talent. To call this defense statistically worse--or to say they are weaker because they don't have seasoned, experienced household names on the roster--is fine. But I don't think you can say they are any less of a defense because of pure, athletic talent: almost every starter on this defense will eventually get a shot at the NFL, and possibly some backups too.

    This post was edited by crimsonbuffalo on 11/10/2012 at 1:24 PM

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  • As long as we keep winning he can say what he wants.

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  • Fur_UA said...

    "The talent discrepancy between this year's D and the 2009 is almost laughable. This year's D is way more talented. This year's D is also putting up numbers that are statistically superior that 2009."

    Actually, no it's not laughable. '09 secondary was considerably better. The D-line was better with Cody and Dareus. The linebackers would've been as good if Hightower didn't get hurt, and I'm still not sure the difference is that great compared to our linebacker core this year. But I think everyone misunderstood the point Pollack was trying to make. Even though, in his opinion, this is the least talented Bama defense in the last 4 years (and that is saying something about the way Saban recruits), we still are churning out the same results as the previous 4 years. He was trying to make the point that this is still the same disciplined, gap-sound style of defense that makes it so tough to play against. Our defense is as much about knowing your assignments as it is the talent on the field. That was Pollack's point, but it was missed by a whole lot of super-sensitive people.

    Like the above poster has said, he is talking about talent.

    Just do a breakdown and compare talent.

    Dareus/Stinson- clearly Dareus (although Dareus wasn't the starter)
    Cody/Williams- I'll take Williams
    Square/Deaderick- Square

    SLB- Harris(Reamer)/Hubbard- I'll take Hubbard
    MLB- Mosley/ROLO- I'll give you ROLO but I'd take Mosley/Nico combo here over ROLO
    WLB- Depriest/NICO(Reamer)- Clearly Depriest
    JLB- Anders/Dickson- I'll take Dickson here

    RCB- Milliner/Jackson- I'll take Milliner
    LCB- Belue/Javy- Prob Javy here
    S- MB/HCD- Clearly HCD
    S- Woodall/Lester - clearly Lester

    Based on the number I think I would takee 7 of the 11 starters this year as opposed to 2009. Some are probably debatable either way. If you are looking at talent alone, I'd probably take more of 2012 than I did. I was looking at the scenario as strictly which player I would take. If you look at depth then 2012 has more depth than 2009. The DL with Pagan and Dial are 2 future NFL guys and the LB core is much deeper. Mosley, Depreist, and Nico are all co starters.

    cwaters2

  • crimsonbuffalo said...

    This defense is a machine now. Plug in and play. But that takes talent, and Bama has lots of talent to employ. I took issue with Pollard's comments because they seemed both hyperbolic and inconsistent. All preseason long, the talk was about how Alabama's possible weakness on defense was going to be a matter of inexperience, not talent. Now they, at least Pollard is, saying it's a difference in talent. To call this defense statistically worse--or to say they are weaker because they don't have seasoned, experienced household names on the roster--is fine. But I don't think you can say they are any less of a defense because of pure, athletic talent: almost every starter on this defense will eventually get a shot at the NFL, and possibly some backups too.

    Good post. Couldn't have said it better.

    cwaters2

  • crimsonbuffalo said...

    I strongly disagree. I think this is the 'most' talented defense Saban has had, even if it's not the 'best' based on youth and experience. Pollack is just mad that Bama is stealing the limelight of his Georgia Bulldogs.

    Well, what do you think now? Maybe Pollack knows what he's talking about. I'll tell you this...with Fulton on the field, this defense is nowhere near as good as the previous three years. It isn't even close. And it hasn't got anything to do with experience. He is not big enough or strong enough to defend and tackle big, athletic receivers.

    airharper

  • airharper said...

    Well, what do you think now? Maybe Pollack knows what he's talking about. I'll tell you this...with Fulton on the field, this defense is nowhere near as good as the previous three years. It isn't even close. And it hasn't got anything to do with experience. He is not big enough or strong enough to defend and tackle big, athletic receivers.

    This defense is so much better than 2010 it's not funny. Are you serious right now? We are struggling but 2010 got smoked on 3 occasions for God's sake.

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  • airharper said...

    Well, what do you think now? Maybe Pollack knows what he's talking about. I'll tell you this...with Fulton on the field, this defense is nowhere near as good as the previous three years. It isn't even close. And it hasn't got anything to do with experience. He is not big enough or strong enough to defend and tackle big, athletic receivers.

    Tackling has a lot to do with experience.

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