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Grant's latest action commendable, but...

  • ...at what point will suspensions become a non-story for the program? This is first-year-of-tenure stuff, not February of third year. Specifically, how many chances should a player get? I don't know, but I do know the other players are watching.

    TR

    This post was edited by Travis Reier on 2/11/2012 at 11:57 PM

    Travis Reier

  • Fair point, but I will start worrying if they continue once Green and Mitchell are gone. Have to say, really surprised about Releford and Steele though.

    Fogtown

  • Fogtown said...

    Fair point, but I will start worrying if they continue once Green and Mitchell are gone. Have to say, really surprised about Releford and Steele though.

    IMO, i think some fans put way too much in the "Green and Mitchell are cancers causing all the woes of our program" excuse

    Bama_Lefty

  • Travis Reier said...

    ...what point will suspensions become a non-story for the program? This is first-year-of-tenure stuff, not February of third year. Specifically, how many chances should a player get? I don't know, but I do know the other players are watching.

    TR

    Better late than never I guess.
    Travis, can you ever remember a team suspending this many key players down the stretch like this?

    dc12

  • It's hard for me to believe that these guys weren't breaking team rules earlier in the season or during the off season. This behavior didn't just happen to start on the eve(s) of the most pivotal stretch of games of the season.

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  • Exactly Travis. The timing is really strange. We have a third of our team suspended during the stretch run. These also aren't previous coaching staff guys. Releford and Mitchell have only played for Grant.

    It may turn out positive in the long run but in the short run we have a third of our team gone. That's not a positive thing.

    scottchap

  • Bama_Lefty said...

    IMO, i think some fans put way too much in the "Green and Mitchell are cancers causing all the woes of our program" excuse

    It's possible. And Greene had been much better recently. However, those are two leftovers from players recruited by Gottfried (and Steele, but he doesn't fall into that category) and Gottfried didn't look at makeup of players, he simply looked at the best athletes.

    My opinion is based more on, if the players Grant personally recruits are having problems, then that is when I will start to worry.

    Fogtown

  • dc12 said...

    Better late than never I guess. Travis, can you ever remember a team suspending this many key players down the stretch like this?

    No, I can't. I get that Grant is trying to develop strong character. But sometimes addition occurs with subtraction. I asked someone in the program in the fall if Mitchell and Green had turned the corner from a maturity standpoint and he just looked at the ground and shook his head. It's a delicate balance, because you know you're going to have a headcase or two on every team.

    TR

    Travis Reier

  • Fogtown said...

    My opinion is based more on, if the players Grant personally recruits are having problems, then that is when I will start to worry.

    I'm a Grant supporter, but it is worth noting...Releford? He was supposed to be a leader as the starting PG.

    macamatic

  • Travis Reier said...

    ...what point will suspensions become a non-story for the program? This is first-year-of-tenure stuff, not February of third year. Specifically, how many chances should a player get? I don't know, but I do know the other players are watching.

    TR

    Thank you for not trying to spin this in a sunshine positive way and somehow tie it in to how one of our rivals isn't as good as they think they are...

    Crims0nTider

  • Crims0nTider said...

    Thank you for not trying to spin this in a sunshine positive way and somehow tie it in to how one of our rivals isn't as good as they think they are...

    To be clear, I think Grant is a very good coach. Just ready to see him coach a group of starters for a full season. I'm sure he didn't expect to be in this situation in year three.

    TR

    Travis Reier

  • Travis Reier said...

    To be clear, I think Grant is a very good coach. Just ready to see him coach a group of starters for a full season. I'm sure he didn't expect to be in this situation in year three.

    TR

    I'm just appreciative that you and the rest of the BOL staff give us as many angles as possible on any given situation. +1 to you sir...

    Crims0nTider

  • Grant should have made his statement two years ago with this garbage. It's pitiful to be in year three of a program and you still don't have control of what is going on.

    ASBamaguy

  • This is the loosest I've seen the freshman play all season. Not worried about minutes tonight. Haha.

    TR

    Travis Reier

  • Travis do you not think that this is Grant at the start of the season trying to win games & let things slide he should have dealt with & now realizing he made a mistake & painted himself into a corner. I look at it as a young head coach learning on the job but the good thing is he is trying to fix the problem.

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  • spg4869 said...

    Travis do you not think that this is Grant at the start of the season trying to win games & let things slide he should have dealt with & now realizing he made a mistake & painted himself into a corner. I look at it as a young head coach learning on the job but the good thing is he is trying to fix the problem.

    I think every coach believes every situation is salvageable. Saw it with Saban early in his time at UA. With the benefit of hindsight, I'm sure they'd all do some things differently. Tough call to make when it's in the here and now.

    TR

    Travis Reier

  • Bottom line is that 3 years in, Grant should have control of his players. At this point, he doesn't.

    bamabiscuit1

  • bamabiscuit1 said...

    Bottom line is that 3 years in, Grant should have control of his players. At this point, he doesn't.

    you can't "Control" 17-22 year olds.

    Do you have any teenagers???

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  • Fogtown said...

    It's possible. And Greene had been much better recently. However, those are two leftovers from players recruited by Gottfried (and Steele, but he doesn't fall into that category) and Gottfried didn't look at makeup of players, he simply looked at the best athletes.

    My opinion is based more on, if the players Grant personally recruits are having problems, then that is when I will start to worry.

    OK first of all CAG would have recruited J. Green. He was a 5 star kid out of your own state. Blaming Gottfried for recruiting Green is a joke. CAG would have recruited Green in a heartbeat. Also CAG has been resposible for 90% of the time Green has been on the floor and in practice. Blaming a coach who recruited a 5 star prospect and coached him 12 games and not blaming the coach that has coached him 90 games and would have recruited him is just wrong. Grant would have been begging Green to come to Alabama, and everyone in this fan base would have been pissed if any of our coaches had lost him to an out of state team.

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  • Travis Reier said...

    ...what point will suspensions become a non-story for the program? This is first-year-of-tenure stuff, not February of third year. Specifically, how many chances should a player get? I don't know, but I do know the other players are watching.

    TR

    Travis,
    I didn't see you giving your opinion when Gottfried had several Teams that was not discipline and doing all his dirt. So save me this crap about suspending four is something you do in your first year.

    tony3680

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  • IvoryTusk said...

    OK first of all CAG would have recruited J. Green. He was a 5 star kid out of your own state. Blaming Gottfried for recruiting Green is a joke. CAG would have recruited Green in a heartbeat. Also CAG has been resposible for 90% of the time Green has been on the floor and in practice. Blaming a coach who recruited a 5 star prospect and coached him 12 games and not blaming the coach that has coached him 90 games and would have recruited him is just wrong. Grant would have been begging Green to come to Alabama, and everyone in this fan base would have been pissed if any of our coaches had lost him to an out of state team.

    I am not saying he wouldn't have recruited him. However, Green might not have come here if he knew he wouldn't have his way the whole time as he did in the atmosphere that Gottfried had created in his later years. It's no different than some top players that Saban recruits. They don't want to put in the work and dedicate themselves to make it to the top. You nor I have an idea of how Grant would have recruited Green.

    Fogtown

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  • tony3680 said...

    Travis, I didn't see you giving your opinion when Gottfried had several Teams that was not discipline and doing all his dirt. So save me this crap about suspending four is something you do in your first year.

    What dirt are you talking about? So you're now saying Gottfried was covering up dirt? I am confused by this statement. Also Gottfried was many things, but he ran one of the cleaniest programs in the SEC and every single kid that got to his senior yr. graduated. Blaming a coach for Mitchell and Green's behavior when he never really had them on the court is wrong. Also every single coach in the country wanted Green, and Mitchell was a top 50 player that many schools wanted. Also MG sat some players in his last few yrs. that had discipline problems, see R. Pickett, etc...

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    IvoryTusk

  • I don't think TR is saying bad things about CAG, but merely pointing out that this is very unusual for a team to go through something like this.

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    IvoryTusk

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