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  • Koko B Ware43232 said...

    Its Grant's fault we don't have a big man! He's been here 4 years and he's signed a total of 4 big men, two of which were foreign players who were projects. One left after one season. Grant decided he didn't need to sign a post player last year when he knew we were losing Green. Going into this season with just Gueye, Engstrom and Jacobs was idiotic. There's a JUCO PF from Birmingham thats playing on another team in the league that could definitely help this team but Grant passed on him this past spring.

    Evidently, CAG didn't think he was good enough or the right fit for HIS program. Coach Saban doesn't recruit every 5-star either. There is a well documented reason as to why he doesn't chase every big name high school athlete playing football. I bet you don't have a problem with that.

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  • Got to one more year of experience and quit reading.

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  • NashTide said...

    If I saw my team absolutely getting raped on the floor for 40 minutes, you can bet I'd be standing up for them. Whether that means jumping up and down, throwing a chair, politely calling an official over with your hand covering your mouth while you tell him exactly how his incompetence is destroying the game and your season....whatever it takes to show your team you have their back. This man has done absolutely NOTHING this season to demonstrate any real passion for this program or concern for his players' poor performance. Players take on the personality of their coach. If a coach has a ho-hum attitude on the floor, players will as well. I'm sure you use this same "yelling at the officials doesn't matter" logic every time Saban goes nuclear on some side judge, right? Of course not - you probably beam with pride like we all do when he flips out.

    I don't want Bobby Knight out there. I want someone with class. But I also want someone who seems at least somewhat emotionally invested in his job. There are plenty of examples of coaches who desmonstrably stand by their team without acting like complete lunatics on the sideline. But toeing that line doesn't mean you have to have the personality of a corpse, either.

    I am absolutely calling BS on the comment that the team played hard the entire game. Certain players play hard every game. Certain players play hard when they think it matters (end-game situations when it becomes a "holy s*** we're about to blow this" moment) and others put in a minimal amount of effort to stay in the playing rotation at all. Until we have a critical mass of guys who take personal offense to the hack-job that happened last night, we won't be anything more than an NIT team.

    Also - your "we real basketball fans hate you haters" crap is laughable. I PAID to watch that crap last night. I was posting in the game thread from the fricking arena. I am paying today for getting home close to midnight (after working all day yesterday) this morning by consuming more coffee than any grown man should drink in a week. I got into a fight with my wife on the drive home after the game because I was so pissed that we played like crap. So forgive me if I tell you to shove off when you tell me you're more of a fan of this program than I am. I'm not any better than you, but I'm certainly not some bandwagon moron who logs on just to hate Grant.

    Whatever...There are coaches that don't have to run around like a raving lunatic. And, I DON'T care for it when Coach Saban does it either. The players play the fucking game. Coach Grant does his coaching and teaching in a controlled manner. The intensity with which he communicates is revealed in his eyes and the tone of his voice. That's the way he does it. He DOES NOT have to display emotion to placate your desire or need to know if he is "fired up" and has "his team's back." I'll bet that every player on that team knows that CAG is their greatest fan and supporter. YOU don't know because YOU are in the stands or working away from the confines of the basketball offices and Coleman Coliseum.

    Did John Wooden jump up and down like a lunatic?

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  • NashTide said...

    I love when folks start threads with the whole "I know more about this than you do" BS.

    I saw this team up close tonight. They don't communicate. They don't play hard for 40 minutes. The bench looks like a morgue. We're out of control and play with no purpose offensively. We somehow have two bigs that can't get off the floor.

    I'm not being a doom and gloomer. It is what it is. This staff has one more year to make the tournament and win a game there. This team's basketball IQ is almost nonexistent. Calls that would've gotten most coaches ejected barely drew a yawn from our 2 million dollar man.

    I'm sick of this sh*t.

    Agreed.

    4 years is MORE than enough time.

    The Grant supporters sound just like the Shula supporters in 2006 that still wanted to "give him more time"....

    Thank GOD we didn't listen to them---and especially that the admin didn't...

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  • BoomsMD said...

    Whatever...There are coaches that don't have to run around like a raving lunatic. And, I DON'T care for it when Coach Saban does it either. The players play the fucking game. Coach Grant does his coaching and teaching in a controlled manner. The intensity with which he communicates is revealed in his eyes and the tone of his voice. That's the way he does it. He DOES NOT have to display emotion to placate your desire or need to know if he is "fired up" and has "his team's back." I'll bet that every player on that team knows that CAG is their greatest fan and supporter. YOU don't know because YOU are in the stands or working away from the confines of the basketball offices and Coleman Coliseum.

    Did John Wooden jump up and down like a lunatic?

    I appreciate grants class and style. I do. But for whatever reason his approach does not appear to render the intended effects with the refs.
    Grants attempt with the poor mouthing double speak earlier this week re: foul discrepancies totally backfired.
    Henderson assaulted our players twice and not only didn't get the T/ intentional foul that it deserves but didn't even get called for the foul.

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  • UofADuke said...

    Got to one more year of experience and quit reading.

    Is this English???

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  • Bama_Lefty said...

    I appreciate grants class and style. I do. But for whatever reason his approach does not appear to render the intended effects with the refs. Grants attempt with the poor mouthing double speak earlier this week re: foul discrepancies totally backfired. Henderson assaulted our players twice and not only didn't get the T/ intentional foul that it deserves but didn't even get called for the foul.

    SEC rule: You cannot publicly complain about officiating.

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  • BoomsMD said...

    Whatever...There are coaches that don't have to run around like a raving lunatic. And, I DON'T care for it when Coach Saban does it either. The players play the fucking game. Coach Grant does his coaching and teaching in a controlled manner. The intensity with which he communicates is revealed in his eyes and the tone of his voice. That's the way he does it. He DOES NOT have to display emotion to placate your desire or need to know if he is "fired up" and has "his team's back." I'll bet that every player on that team knows that CAG is their greatest fan and supporter. YOU don't know because YOU are in the stands or working away from the confines of the basketball offices and Coleman Coliseum.

    Did John Wooden jump up and down like a lunatic?

    Are you really comparing modern coaches to John Wooden?

    I'm going to list out the top coaches in basketball right now. You let me know which ones never flip the f*** out on refs.

    Mike Krzyzewski
    Roy Williams
    John Calipari
    Bill Self
    John Thompson III
    Tom Izzo
    Billy Donovan
    Tom Crean
    etc. etc. etc.

    EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE COACHES goes apesh*t on the bench when he needs to. Coach K, Cal, Izzo and Crean are on the verge of having a full-on conniption for a majority of most games. If you look at recently successful coaches like Pearl, Huggins, Knight, etc. they all are effing nut-jobs when they need to be as well. Look at coaches in our own league. Frank Martin, Frank Haith, Tony Barbee. Whether they're good or not, they all have fire.

    But you're right. It's probably best that our zombie leader keeps his composure guiding us to the NIT every year.

    I'm so glad we have a guy who is reserved enough to never stand up, remove his jacket, or say a cross word. It's just an honor to lose games like last night. Glad we have the opportunity to get skulldragged by a guy like Andy Kennedy (who, incidentally, also loses his marbles once a game.)

    This post was edited by NashTide on 3/6/2013 at 9:39 AM

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  • Teddy, for someone who professes to know so much more than everyone else...you sure don't know sh*t. The man is in his 4th season....FOURTH. That is MORE than enough time to get "comfortable" in a job. He's a grown man, not a child. You seem to be making every excuse you can think of for his poor performance but the reality is this:

    We will now miss the tourney for the 3rd time in his 4 years. The one year he made it, we won no games. Our inside play is the worst I've ever seen and that is ALL his fault. He didn't recruit any big men last year and he recruited the guys we have now. His offense, or whatever that sh*t is, is unwatchable. It hasn't been any good since he has been here. Winning 20 games means nothing anymore. The SEC is horrible, I don't know why some of you don't understand that winning more than you lose in a terrible league doesn't mean our team is good. If we were playing in a decent league we would never have been on the bubble we are now off.

    As I mentioned yesterday, what are Grant's big wins? In 4 years, what are the exciting wins for this program? A home win over UK when they went 10-6 in the league and were very inexperienced? I can't think of any other "signature" wins...in 4 years. Just a bunch of wins over mediocre SEC teams.

    I think he should (barely) get one more year to turn it around but this program/team is as stagnant and lifeless as it has been in a while. It truly has become unwatchable.

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  • BoomsMD said...

    Evidently, CAG didn't think he was good enough or the right fit for HIS program. Coach Saban doesn't recruit every 5-star either. There is a well documented reason as to why he doesn't chase every big name high school athlete playing football. I bet you don't have a problem with that.

    I understand not signing someone just to fill a roster spot, but Grant sat on 3 scholarships this past spring when we had no proven post player and zero depth. You said in a previous post Grant isn't going to sign some project or slouch just to fill a roster, but he's already signed two posts that are nothing but projects. Coty Clarke is a junior, its not like he would be taking a roster spot for 4 years and we had three scholarships to give. He's a better rebounder than anyone on our roster and at the very least would be 5 more fouls a game.

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  • BoomsMD said...

    SEC rule: You cannot publicly complain about officiating.

    I'm aware, and really don't care. I've seen many a,coach knowingly violate a league rule against public criticism of officiating. They are willing to take the fine or other punishment in order to get their point across. The fact that they are willing to face this consequences magnifies to the league how strongly they feel about it

    This post was edited by Bama_Lefty on 3/6/2013 at 10:14 AM

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  • Koko B Ware43232 said...

    I understand not signing someone just to fill a roster spot, but Grant sat on 3 scholarships this past spring when we had no proven post player and zero depth. You said in a previous post Grant isn't going to sign some project or slouch just to fill a roster, but he's already signed two posts that are nothing but projects. Coty Clarke is a junior, its not like he would be taking a roster spot for 4 years and we had three scholarships to give. He's a better rebounder than anyone on our roster and at the very least would be 5 more fouls a game.

    He didn't just sit on those scholarships. He did not know the entire time what was going to happen with Mitchell, Eblen, and Hankerson. He also went heavily after Cauley-Stein.

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  • BGZATUA said...

    He didn't just sit on those scholarships. He did not know the entire time what was going to happen with Mitchell, Eblen, and Hankerson. He also went heavily after Cauley-Stein.

    Mitchell was good as gone halfway through last season. It was an absolute formality when he excused himself from the program officially in the off-season.

    If we're holding open scholarships waiting on Ben Eblen to make a decision....this program is more screwed than any of us imagined.

    I've argued about this on the board to the point where it's hard to even care anymore. If people are happy with the product or expect better next year, more power to them. I'll hope we win 3 or 4 games in Nashville and shock the world. I may even go to Nashville to support them.

    I hope next year is better. But any improvement made is going to have to come from the players getting pissed off in the offseason. As Theta said, 5 more games on court isn't going to make them any more mature. They need to get in a gym every day from now until October and get up shots. They need to get someone in who can help them technically become better shooters. They need to cut ties with the entire staff save possibly Hipsher/Pettway and Grant needs to determine if he really wants to be here.

    Relying on Engstrom coming back and two true freshmen isn't going to cut it. The core group who is playing right now will decide what happens next year. If the two freshmen come in and contribute as much as Pollard did this season, and that's the only real improvement, CAG will be gone at the end of next season. We need drastic changes in attitude and offensive philosophy. This isn't a "they'll grow up" issue.

    This post was edited by NashTide on 3/6/2013 at 10:30 AM

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  • NashTide said...

    Mitchell was good as gone halfway through last season. It was an absolute formality when he excused himself from the program officially in the off-season.

    If we're holding open scholarships waiting on Ben Eblen to make a decision....this program is more screwed than any of us imagined.

    I've argued about this on the board to the point where it's hard to even care anymore. If people are happy with the product or expect better next year, more power to them. I'll hope we win 3 or 4 games in Nashville and shock the world. I may even go to Nashville to support them.

    I hope next year is better. But any improvement made is going to have to come from the players getting pissed off in the offseason. As Theta said, 5 more games on court isn't going to make them any more mature. They need to get in a gym every day from now until October and get up shots. They need to get someone in who can help them technically become better shooters. They need to cut ties with the entire staff save possibly Hipsher/Pettway and Grant needs to determine if he really wants to be here.

    Relying on Engstrom coming back and two true freshmen isn't going to cut it. The core group who is playing right now will decide what happens next year. If the two freshmen come in and contribute as much as Pollard did this season, and that's the only real improvement, CAG will be gone at the end of next season. We need drastic changes in attitude and offensive philosophy. This isn't a "they'll grow up" issue.

    That's also assuming we don't have any more roster attrition.

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  • Bama_Lefty said...

    That's also assuming we don't have any more roster attrition.

    I agree.

    I hate to be like this, but there are only a couple of players I'd be sad to lose right now. We can't afford any more turnover just because we need sheer numbers, but on an individual level I can count on one hand the number of guys who would upset me if they left. We've gotta keep the band together to have a chance, but the dead weight is killing this program. I hope he puts them through full-on boot camp in June and July.

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