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  • I was a big Grant fan when we hired him. I would love for him to get us nationally competitive again. But, the performance of this team is not acceptable and the excuse making by some of our fans is getting embarrassing.

    Bama hoops has a history of being competitive nationally. UA hoops is not a deadend job where losers go to make excuses. UA is #30 in the nation in overall number of wins, #2 in the SEC. We have had coahces who won here. We have had coaches who recruited well here. We have produced good hoops talent for the NBA here. We have been a consistent top 25 program. We have had good fan support here. This CAN be a good hoops program. It has been! I have seen it.

    A good coach can make the UA hoops program something to be proud of. Will we win national titles every year? No. But, we sure as heck don't need to accept being pushed around and laughed at as a bottom dweller. UA hoops is better than this and the players and fans deserve better.

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  • BGZATUA said...

    He didn't just sit on those scholarships. He did not know the entire time what was going to happen with Mitchell, Eblen, and Hankerson. He also went heavily after Cauley-Stein.

    Mitchell was gone and Cauley-Stein signed in the fall. We had scholarships available and he failed to address our biggest need, to argue otherwise is absurd.

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  • Koko B Ware43232 said...

    Mitchell was gone and Cauley-Stein signed in the fall. We had scholarships available and he failed to address our biggest need, to argue otherwise is absurd.

    I understand. I do. This past class was a let down for sure. Going into the season however, he expected 11 scholarship guys back for this years team. That leaves two spots. He filled one with a McDonalds All-American.

    I completely understand what you are saying though. Coach Grant has since signed two front court players and with Engy coming back, we have addressed our front court needs.

    BGZATUA

  • BGZATUA said...

    I completely understand what you are saying though. Coach Grant has since signed two front court players and with Engy coming back, we have addressed our front court needs.

    We will hopefully be able to press more as a result of more warm bodies in the frontcourt. I still fear that we'll be almost an entirely perimeter oriented team next season even with the 3 additions (2 signees + Engstrom.)

    Engstrom plays hard and with good intentions, but his offensive limitations are essentially those we currently see with MG. They are both slightly above average defenders, poor rebounders for their size, and any offensive contribution generally elicits emotions ranging between "pure shock" and "controlled hysteria."

    CE's numbers last year: 25 games played, 8 min per game, 47% FG (for a center this is dreadful,) 4/10 at the free throw line, 1.8 RPG, 40 fouls in 208 minutes, 26 total points in 25 gms.

    Others who have seen the two signees agree they are above average athletes, above average defenders, but are projects offensively. I'm not going to assess them until they've had the benefit of actually playing, but assuming the scouting report is true I'm failing to see an inside game next year.

    One plus is that he may actually be able to play 2 bigs at the same time the way we did near the end of last season. We'll see if that helps free NJ up to be more of an offensive threat as he'd be going against 4's instead of 5's all night (even though there are few true 5's left, you know what I'm getting at. He'll be posting guys closer to his actual size, if not smaller.)

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  • I think we are going to have success over the next tow seasons. I think we will be in the tournament for sure(which will have put us in the tournament 3 of 4 years) and I think we could make a run at a conference championship. I think Coach does a good job on defense and I believe the offense will come around due to personnel additions and experience.

    The key, to me, to Anthony Grant and Alabama basketball's future is how he replaces the large sophmore class that we have. The 2014 & 2015 classes are huge for the future of Bama basketball.

    BGZATUA

  • NashTide said...

    One plus is that he may actually be able to play 2 bigs at the same time the way we did near the end of last season. We'll see if that helps free NJ up to be more of an offensive threat as he'd be going against 4's instead of 5's all night (even though there are few true 5's left, you know what I'm getting at. He'll be posting guys closer to his actual size, if not smaller.)


    I think the above will be huge for us. Not only will we be able to play two bigs at one time, we won't have to play Cooper and pollard out of position.

    The positive on Taylor is that he can actually dunk. Gueye and Engstrom can not do that.

    I think Engstrom was coming along. He had 26 points in 208 minutes his sophmore season and had 23 points in 88 minutes this season while making 9 of 13 shots. I thought we were going to get decent production out of him this season.

    BGZATUA

  • NashTide said...

    If I saw my team absolutely getting raped on the floor for 40 minutes, you can bet I'd be standing up for them. Whether that means jumping up and down, throwing a chair, politely calling an official over with your hand covering your mouth while you tell him exactly how his incompetence is destroying the game and your season....whatever it takes to show your team you have their back. This man has done absolutely NOTHING this season to demonstrate any real passion for this program or concern for his players' poor performance. Players take on the personality of their coach. If a coach has a ho-hum attitude on the floor, players will as well. I'm sure you use this same "yelling at the officials doesn't matter" logic every time Saban goes nuclear on some side judge, right? Of course not - you probably beam with pride like we all do when he flips out.

    I don't want Bobby Knight out there. I want someone with class. But I also want someone who seems at least somewhat emotionally invested in his job. There are plenty of examples of coaches who desmonstrably stand by their team without acting like complete lunatics on the sideline. But toeing that line doesn't mean you have to have the personality of a corpse, either.

    I am absolutely calling BS on the comment that the team played hard the entire game. Certain players play hard every game. Certain players play hard when they think it matters (end-game situations when it becomes a "holy s*** we're about to blow this" moment) and others put in a minimal amount of effort to stay in the playing rotation at all. Until we have a critical mass of guys who take personal offense to the hack-job that happened last night, we won't be anything more than an NIT team.

    Also - your "we real basketball fans hate you haters" crap is laughable. I PAID to watch that crap last night. I was posting in the game thread from the fricking arena. I am paying today for getting home close to midnight (after working all day yesterday) this morning by consuming more coffee than any grown man should drink in a week. I got into a fight with my wife on the drive home after the game because I was so pissed that we played like crap. So forgive me if I tell you to shove off when you tell me you're more of a fan of this program than I am. I'm not any better than you, but I'm certainly not some bandwagon moron who logs on just to hate Grant.

    First of all, Nick Saban ripping a side judge will never have the consequence of giving the other team points. In basketball, it does, so don't be an idiot. I don't know if you can read lips, but I have plenty of examples from this year where Anthony Grant looks right at an official and tells him a previous call was bulls*&^.

    I appreciate you are a fan of our team and will travel to Oxford to see them play, but you really aren't contributing anything intelligent. If you don't think Grant hasn't called up the SEC and complained about officiating, then you don't understand how things are done. My advice: instead of hitting the "we shoud fire our head coach" button when we go through badly needed growing pains, sit back and try to look at our program objectively and see that our basketball program and image needs a turn around that is going to take more than 4 years to accomplish. Anthony Grant (though still has some improvements to make) is right on track,

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  • scott713h said...

    I would be broke from fines over the last 2 games if I was the coach and probably tossed from one of the two games.

    That is why you are not getting the big bucks. Doesn't that tell you something??

    idiotbasher

  • ProfessorAl said...

    I was a big Grant fan when we hired him. I would love for him to get us nationally competitive again. But, the performance of this team is not acceptable and the excuse making by some of our fans is getting embarrassing.

    Bama hoops has a history of being competitive nationally. UA hoops is not a deadend job where losers go to make excuses. UA is #30 in the nation in overall number of wins, #2 in the SEC. We have had coahces who won here. We have had coaches who recruited well here. We have produced good hoops talent for the NBA here. We have been a consistent top 25 program. We have had good fan support here. This CAN be a good hoops program. It has been! I have seen it.

    A good coach can make the UA hoops program something to be proud of. Will we win national titles every year? No. But, we sure as heck don't need to accept being pushed around and laughed at as a bottom dweller. UA hoops is better than this and the players and fans deserve better.

    Agreed, and I'm tired of hearing "basketball fans" whooping it up on the radio and online talking about how Bama's ONLY a basketball school, doesn't care about basketball, will never be great in basketball, blah blah blah, when they are such big "fans" that they go to "1-2 games", and cannot name players on the roster or cannot tell you what the score was of the last game, or anything else to show they really know what they're talking about. Yet they feel so "inclined" to blab on about Alabama being such a "football ONLY school", etc...

    These people are making things MUCH worse than it already is.

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  • BGZATUA said...

    I think the above will be huge for us. Not only will we be able to play two bigs at one time, we won't have to play Cooper and pollard out of position.

    The positive on Taylor is that he can actually dunk. Gueye and Engstrom can not do that.

    I think Engstrom was coming along. He had 26 points in 208 minutes his sophmore season and had 23 points in 88 minutes this season while making 9 of 13 shots. I thought we were going to get decent production out of him this season.

    I think y'all are selling Engstrom a but short. From my previous obs he's an upgrade from gueye both in athleticism and coordination (feet and hands). I'm not trying to make him out to something he's not, but at a minimum I'd feel a lot better about him receiving those dishes under the basket and him being able to catch it and go up strong.
    I love Moose and his efforts to acclimate to this game but if we can save him as a sub and some muscle/fouls we'll be better off

    This post was edited by Bama_Lefty on 3/6/2013 at 12:26 PM

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  • TeddyBama24 said...

    And here is a man that understood my MAIN POINT, instead of criticizing the rest of what I said. If you don't understand the importance of the big man in basketball, you don't understand basketball.

    I understand it but Coach DID NOT FILL his scholys. Horrible move.....for depth, etc.

    He needs to understand that he has to have bodies for everyone to get pushed. He needs to work harder and bring in better assistants.

    Phoenix Bama40488

  • TeddyBama24 said...

    First of all, Nick Saban ripping a side judge will never have the consequence of giving the other team points. In basketball, it does, so don't be an idiot. I don't know if you can read lips, but I have plenty of examples from this year where Anthony Grant looks right at an official and tells him a previous call was bulls*&^.

    I appreciate you are a fan of our team and will travel to Oxford to see them play, but you really aren't contributing anything intelligent. If you don't think Grant hasn't called up the SEC and complained about officiating, then you don't understand how things are done. My advice: instead of hitting the "we shoud fire our head coach" button when we go through badly needed growing pains, sit back and try to look at our program objectively and see that our basketball program and image needs a turn around that is going to take more than 4 years to accomplish. Anthony Grant (though still has some improvements to make) is right on track,

    2 things:

    1 - Philosophy mistake of going with a short bench. If he can't recruit better...he can't get out of this.

    2 - We have a couple of assistants that are subpar for our level of program. Period...

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  • crimsonbleeder said...

    Agreed.

    4 years is MORE than enough time.

    The Grant supporters sound just like the Shula supporters in 2006 that still wanted to "give him more time"....

    Thank GOD we didn't listen to them---and especially that the admin didn't...

    Comparing these two situations is the best example of why our fan base is delusional. Alabama football was arguably still the most prestigious program at the time of firing Shula. Alabama basketball isn't anywhere close to being considered a traditional power. We can become like Florida, but it's going to take some patience and maturity from our fan base and administration.

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  • HADOUKEN said...

    Teddy, for someone who professes to know so much more than everyone else...you sure don't know sh*t. The man is in his 4th season....FOURTH. That is MORE than enough time to get "comfortable" in a job. He's a grown man, not a child. You seem to be making every excuse you can think of for his poor performance but the reality is this:

    We will now miss the tourney for the 3rd time in his 4 years. The one year he made it, we won no games. Our inside play is the worst I've ever seen and that is ALL his fault. He didn't recruit any big men last year and he recruited the guys we have now. His offense, or whatever that sh*t is, is unwatchable. It hasn't been any good since he has been here. Winning 20 games means nothing anymore. The SEC is horrible, I don't know why some of you don't understand that winning more than you lose in a terrible league doesn't mean our team is good. If we were playing in a decent league we would never have been on the bubble we are now off.

    As I mentioned yesterday, what are Grant's big wins? In 4 years, what are the exciting wins for this program? A home win over UK when they went 10-6 in the league and were very inexperienced? I can't think of any other "signature" wins...in 4 years. Just a bunch of wins over mediocre SEC teams.

    I think he should (barely) get one more year to turn it around but this program/team is as stagnant and lifeless as it has been in a while. It truly has become unwatchable.

    If you were a Florida fan in the mid 90s, you would have called for Billy Donovan's head too after 2 LOSING season in 4 years. We aren't talking just not making the tournament, we are talking losing more than you win. Grant hasn't even had one season that low. I do realize that many people on this board don't realize that 4 years in football recruiting and coaching is not the equivalent to 4 years of basketball recruiting and coaching, but I'm tired of hearing a fan base so utterly ignorant about what it takes to nurture a successful basketball program for the long-term. Grant is doing things the right way and is making very cerebral decisions with his program. Our fan base might not understand every decsion, but he has made a lot of excellent decisions that many coaches wouldn't have the balls to make that need to be made.

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  • TeddyBama24 said...

    Comparing these two situations is the best example of why our fan base is delusional. Alabama football was arguably still the most prestigious program at the time of firing Shula. Alabama basketball isn't anywhere close to being considered a traditional power. We can become like Florida, but it's going to take some patience and maturity from our fan base and administration.

    not comparing programs.

    Comparing the situations of the coaches. Valid comparisons.

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  • TeddyBama24 said...

    If you were a Florida fan in the mid 90s, you would have called for Billy Donovan's head too after 2 LOSING season in 4 years. We aren't talking just not making the tournament, we are talking losing more than you win. Grant hasn't even had one season that low. I do realize that many people on this board don't realize that 4 years in football recruiting and coaching is not the equivalent to 4 years of basketball recruiting and coaching, but I'm tired of hearing a fan base so utterly ignorant about what it takes to nurture a successful basketball program for the long-term. Grant is doing things the right way and is making very cerebral decisions with his program. Our fan base might not understand every decsion, but he has made a lot of excellent decisions that many coaches wouldn't have the balls to make that need to be made.

    W's and L's aren't the point. It's the pure style of basketball we are seeing, and the lack of "product" that motivates and excites a fanbase that is at issue.

    Hell, right now UAB has the best, most marketable style of basketball in the state. They are fun to watch, win or lose.

    Alabama's got to get its basketball "Mojo" back.

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  • lol, fixed post below

    This post was edited by robert1975 on 3/6/2013 at 1:12 PM

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  • Koko B Ware43232 said...

    Mitchell was gone and Cauley-Stein signed in the fall. We had scholarships available and he failed to address our biggest need, to argue otherwise is absurd.

    Well that poster thinks that CMG signed Eblen when Eblen was a spring signee that Grant signed after he got here that he had recruited for VCU before taking our gig as HC. So why would we expect research from that poster.

    But let's wrap our minds around Grant's ability to evaluate, recruit, and most importantly manage roster spots, Eblen was his first signee when Grant didn't have to sign any additional players that year, Eblen, who turned out to be a 7% career 3 point shooter, and averaged less than 1 rebound, assists, and ppg. Fast forward 4 years and Eben is one of the excuses as to why we didn't sign a big last year. Truth is Eblen should have been the warning siren to all of us that Grant has no clue how to manage and recruit a whole roster of useful players

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  • robert1975 said...

    Well that poster thinks that CMG signed Eblen when Eblen was a spring signee that Grant signed after he got here that he had recruited for VCU before taking our gig as HC. So why would we expect research from that poster.

    But let's wrap our minds around Grant's ability to evaluate, recruit, and most importantly manage roster spots, Eblen was his first signee when Grant didn't have to sign any additional players that year, Eblen, who turned out to be a 7% career 3 point shooter, and averaged less than 1 rebound, assists, and ppg. Fast forward 4 years and Eben is one of the excuses as to why we didn't sign a big last year. Truth is Eblen should have been the warning siren to all of us that Grant has no clue how to manage and recruit a whole roster of useful players.

    You're kidding right? Eblen was brought in because we needed a point guard. He wasn't a luxury recruit by any means. We needed a point and when you take a job in late March, your recruiting options are extremely limited. He took a point that was on his way to VCU.

    Eblen's freshman year the only other PG's on the squad were Torrance and Brock and they were both seniors. Luckily, we were able to pick up Releford and he was good enough to log significant minutes as a freshman.

    Eblen was a last second pick up. And that should have been a warning sign? You want to evaluate Grant's ability to evaluate, recruit, and manage roster spots on the last second Ben Eblen pickup? .

    This post was edited by BGZATUA on 3/6/2013 at 1:23 PM

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  • Teddy, I agree 100% with what you said. I don't post very often on this board. But several times I have had to come on hear And post something about Coach Grant. I coached high school And JC basketball for over 30 years. I am not sure why this team does not have more post players on the roster or why they don't shoot the basketball better. I do know this, Anthony Grant is a Hell of a basketball coach. I also know, that in todays College basketball, to build a program the right way takes TIME. Coach Grant is doing it the right way. We are all very proud of the way our Football program is run. We need to be just as proud of the way Coach Grant is running this program. I truly believe, in time, with Coach Grants leadership, this program will be a top 15 program.

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