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I'm sorry but he's got to go

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  • BB2One said...

    I don't disagree. I would love for basketball to be great. But come on man, you are way to smart to try and compare any era in our Football programs to bball. We could go 20 years and suck in football and still, show recruits the insane glory of the past and at least have something to build off of. In basketball, we have none of it.

    I've said this a million times, unless our University and everyone involved decides were going to be great at basketball and spends everything they have to do so (Just Like We Did With Football) were not going to be. We've never been to date, so...what are we realistically left with? Building a program. And in order to do this, with the reality of what Bama Basketball is - its going to take more than 4 years. Especially 4 years coming off how pathetic we were even prior to Grant. I agree with everyone here - I would love to be one of the best and I also think we can. Reality is....we aren't and truthfully, Bama basketball has never been. Football, has and at times better than anyone in the country and is again.

    Dude, we really don't have to spend "everything we have" to get a good coach. Hell, there are a dozen high school coaches around Tuscaloosa proper that no one knows the name of that could coach better than what we're getting. Anyone that can bring a dynamic offense, solid shooting (including free throws), solid passing and ball security and dribbling, and a decent defense can do better than what we've got IF HE IS MOTIVATED AND ENERGETIC AND FOCUSED. Seriously. Fundamentals are so lacking in our program. Our players aren't motivated to practice on their own outside of scheduled "real" practice. Our players cannot, with confidence, even pass the ball consistently.

    Again, it all comes to the fact that WE ARE LOSING THE FANBASE. We are ebbing. This cannot continue. As someone listed above, Coleman WILL empty out if we continue this style of basketball---win or lose. After all, for a "football school" ( a ridiculous title, IMHO---we are a BIG University with enough resources and clout to be ANYTHING we want to be) we sure have found a way to have consistently successful gymnastics and softball programs, haven't we? We have to find someone---Anyone---that can run a college program and do the things I listed in addition to SELLING THE PRODUCT while also IMPROVING the product.

    This post was edited by crimsonbleeder on 3/2/2013 at 4:33 PM

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  • bama1235 said...

    And before all the apologists hop on with "oh the refs cost us the game," yes the reffing was very one-sided but that is NOT what cost us the game. Our offensive ineptitude did. You cannot have 8/9 minute scoring droughts every game and be a consistent winning program. There is no excuse for the lack of offensive identity in year 4 of a program. And it shows no sign of getting better- in fact it's going downhill.

    Today we had a perfect chance. Florida was NOT on their game. Their 3 ball was off (did they even hit one in the 2nd half?) they were sloppy and turned it over leading to easy points for us- it was all there for us to steal an upset worth its weight in gold. We didn't do it, and it's on Grant. His inability to coach offense is running our program into the ground. I can only hope the administration is taking notice and not just gloating in football success..

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  • crimsonbleeder said...

    Dude, we really don't have to spend "everything we have" to get a good coach. Hell, there are a dozen high school coaches around Tuscaloosa proper that no one knows the name of that could coach better than what we're getting. Anyone that can bring a dynamic offense, solid shooting (including free throws), solid passing and ball security and dribbling, and a decent defense can do better than what we've got IF HE IS MOTIVATED AND ENERGETIC AND FOCUSED. Seriously. Fundamentals are so lacking in our program. Our players aren't motivated to practice on their own outside of scheduled "real" practice. Our players cannot, with confidence, even pass the ball consistently.

    Again, it all comes to the fact that WE ARE LOSING THE FANBASE. We are ebbing. This cannot continue. As someone listed above, Coleman WILL empty out if we continue this style of basketball---win or lose. After all, for a "football school" ( a ridiculous title, IMHO---we are a BIG University with enough resources and clout to be ANYTHING we want to be) we sure have found a way to have consistently successful gymnastics and softball programs, haven't we? We have to find someone---Anyone---that can run a college program and do the things I listed in addition to SELLING THE PRODUCT while also IMPROVING the product.

    So, that is CAG's fault and responsibility? So, you have attended every practice and team or individual meeting that CAG has with his team?

    I see a team that is being coached and nurtured. I see players with so many holes in their game that its going to take, at least, 2 full season/calender years to raise their basketball skills/acumen to match the level of their athletic ability. Therefore, we will experience inconsistency and sloppy play and defeats. But, the one area where we always see consistency is DEFENSE. That's because DEFENSE is 90% effort and 10% scheme.

    This is why people need to be patient. Let's get next year's class on campus during the summer and start building the team for the Fall pre-season practices.

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  • DEAL1 said...

    After reading the post i looked up how many of the top 20 paid coaches had their team the top NCAA 25, only about 10 were in it. THe one team that stands out for me over the years is GONZAGA, ranked no 2. Their coach is not making the money CAG is by a long shot. They are good year in and out. If the football team performed like the basketball program has the past 4 years we would not be as enamored with CNS as we are and would be demanding a change, so why accept less from the basketball program? Alabama is paying a top 20 salary for the basketball coach so why do we keep saying give him more time? Kentucky won it all with a freshmen team, it does not take 4 years to build a winning team in basketball with the one and done era. Heck pay the Gonzaga coach what he wants to come to bama ,at least make the effort or lets just all except the fact that BAMA does't really care about a top 25 team. Most of the top 10 thru 20 coaches don't make any more than CAG!

    Kentucky nearly signed half of the McDonald's All-American team and definitely most of their recruits were in the Top 10-15. So, please stop with the shenanigans. CAG will have won 20 or more games 3 consecutive seasons. You cannot dispute that fact. You can try arguing all that you want...BUT it is indisputable. He has been here 4 years and only has 2 real recruiting classes on the floor. He chose NOT to just sign any warm body because he's a visionary coach who knows what its takes to WIN consistently and on the biggest of stages. I am certain that CAG is his toughest critic.

    Some of you fans/BOL members are nothing more than --ish starters. The men's basketball program will continue to rise to the ELITE level under CAG. So, just sit back and hate...haters! rolltideroll

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  • zigzag said...

    I think Anthony is doing a good job, building our program. Sure, it's frustrating when we lose the gimmes to Auburn, but his team really took it to Florida for most of the game today. Only in the final 7-minutes did UF really step up their game. At the same time, our shooting went really cold, with shots bricked over and again.

    In the final analysis, I believe Anthony Grant is making progress with our program. Perhaps not as quickly as any of us would like. But, we're making progress. It would help if he could have some more success in recruiting. Hopefully, that'll improve, too.

    Explain where the progress is after 4 yrs. I'm very curious...cause I don't see it!

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  • I just don't understand the frustration with the offensive plan. We run the same offense that Duke and Kansas and North Carolina run. Do you guys honestly think that our coaching staff doesn't evaluate our offensive scheme on a weekly basis or review film from successful teams? We just don't have the players to be a good offensive team. Offense, to me, depends on the player. How may shots are Randolph, Cooper, Releford, Lacey getting up a day in the gym? How many shots do you think JJ Redick put up a day in the gym when he played? The offensive scheme is only as good as the players taking the shots. Coaches can't teach players to make shots. Players make shots because they spend their time in the gym trying to get better. You can teach form and technique, you can't teach effort and drive.

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  • garythegoshengo said...

    I just don't understand the frustration with the offensive plan. We run the same offense that Duke and Kansas and North Carolina run. Do you guys honestly think that our coaching staff doesn't evaluate our offensive scheme on a weekly basis or review film from successful teams? We just don't have the players to be a good offensive team. Offense, to me, depends on the player. How may shots are Randolph, Cooper, Releford, Lacey getting up a day in the gym? How many shots do you think JJ Redick put up a day in the gym when he played? The offensive scheme is only as good as the players taking the shots. Coaches can't teach players to make shots. Players make shots because they spend their time in the gym trying to get better. You can teach form and technique, you can't teach effort and drive.

    So it's the players and not the scheme? So you're saying that UF, UK, TENN, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, USC, Missouri, Ole Miss and Auburn have better offensive players than us. Those teams average more points than us. Lacey, Randolph, Pollard, Cooper, Steele, Releford, and Jacobs were all prolific HS scorers as well.

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  • I believe what makes the CAG conversation so emotionally charged is because he is a class act as a person. He carries himself well - he is a gentleman and for the most part we all really like him as a person --- more so than a few other basketball coaches at UA of late.

    With that said - when the fussing and complaining starts each and every game because there is hardly ever any improvement (including me!) - many of us are justifiably upset and completely frustrated while others are going to defend at any cost. I suppose it is because we all want a top notch basketball program.

    CAG should be judged on all areas of his job - recruiting, wins and loses, tournament appearances and advancement and how he handles himself and team issues. If we could just focus on those areas - all this would be easier.

    BTW - I do not subscribe to the notion that we cannot get a high level coach at UA. The coaches at Miami or Gonzaga come to mind as just an example that UA could have more success with our basketball program.

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  • I guess my point is that coaching doesn't make players make shots. All coaches can do is design a set to get open looks. Players have to put in the time on their own to become prolific scorers. Coach K didn't make JJ Redick a great shooter. JJ Redick shooting 1000 shots a day made him a great shooter. We don't have the offensive weapons right now to make defenses respect our outside shooting, which allows teams to sag in the lane and cut off our penetration and post presence. I will not argue with anyone that CAG has done a poor job on the recruiting front, but his offensive and defensive philosophies do not differ from the big time coaches. He'll, he learned his coaching style from Billy Donovan.

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    Losing doesn't make me want to quit. It makes me want to fight that much harder-Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant

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  • David Hobbs, Mark Gottfried, Mike Dubose, Mike Shula, David Lebo, etc all agree with you. They all learned under excellent systems and it was their players faults, not their coaching!

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  • grant=Shula.

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    Friendly. Good peoples.

    Winners?

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  • BoomsMD said...

    I am certain that CAG is his toughest critic.

    I wish that was true Booms, but I have yet to ever hear CAG be critical of his coaching after a loss. It's always his players fault for not trying hard enough if he is critical.

    Maybe I have missed a press conference where CAG is critical of his coaching mistakes, but I don't remember any. But I do remember the half time interview of the SEC Title game by Saban where he basically said it was his fault we did not have a chance at a TD before half. Makes you wonder about if there is a different mindset between the two of them.

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