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Is the SEC too dominant?

  • jayalanbama7 said...

    And you dont think the same things that go on in "every SEC program" also go on in every program in the country. It's not just the SEC I can assure you.

    You think Washington St. forks up the same amount of money and benefits for players as elite SEC programs (Us, LSU, Fla...)? How about Colorado?

    That is my point.

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  • bamaman 65 said...

    Wouldn't it be a better question to ask why other conferences/teams aren't willing to work as hard as the SEC teams to be more competitive. This is the problem in our school systems today. Instead of getting the kids up to the top tier standards, we lower the standards and pull the upper tier (in learning) students down to the lower standards. We saw this take place in recruiting a few years back when Tubberville and Richt complained about Urban Myers and Saban going out and visiting the schools in the spring. So what happened? The SEC passed a rule prohibiting the head coaches from going and evaluating in the spring and Georgia and Auburn both recruited a bunch of thugs because they haven't properly evaluated the character of the players they recruited. So instead of stepping up, they tried to drag Bama and Florida down to their levels because they were not willing to work as hard for the millions they were being paid. It cost Tubberville his job and nearly cost Richt his job. People should strive to be the best and reach the top instead of pulling everyone else down to their level i.e. what the Democrats are trying to do with our tax system and initative of the American people. If other schools and/or conferences want to be competitive with the SEC, they need to do what the SEC teams are doing instead of complaining about what is taking place in the SEC. Several times over the years in major league baseball, people complained about the Yankees dominating in baseball and buying players. Look what is happening now, several teams have passed the Yankees because they did what was necessary to get to the next level. Enjoy the good times. I do and I am not about to apologize to anyone for the success of Bama. As the old Smith Barney ad says "we have earned it".

    Excellent. Competition woll ultimately make all conferences better.

    sbreeze

  • tarheel03 said...

    Born in Montgomery. School at Bama. Live in Tuscaloosa. Tide Pride Season Ticket holder for football and basketball. Just happen to grow up watching UNC basketball. I'm a New York Mets fan too.

    Don't waste your time pal.

    This is not an anti-SEC post. Read carefully. Post was made to generate discussion.

    Man you use a Tarheel username and you went to Bama. If you are an Alabama fan nothing else matters. Who didn't watch UNC basketball? This is America but, I've got to give you a big, come on man. You've got to be from this new generation.

    BigBubbaFloyd

  • tarheel03 said...

    A few guys had this discussion yesterday and it led to some interesting points. I want to know what you guys think.

    Question: Is the SEC so dominant right now that it's hurting College Football as a whole? Is it healthier for CFB if teams like Texas, Oklahoma, Oregonn USC and FSU are good year in/year out so the interest in CFB is at its max?

    Think about it. We all love how the SEC is absolutely crushing it right now, but what about the rest of the country? The 2012 college football season was 95% SEC / 5% Notre Dame. Maximum exposure. National signing day coverage was about 90-95% SEC as well. All you heard about was Alabama, Florida, Ole Miss, Georgia, Arkansas, even some Auburn. Hell, the two special guest analyst were Dooley and Chizik, two subpar SEC coaches...but still, they were SEC coaches and they were on national television promoting the SEC brand.

    Think about how many Heisman winners we've had in the last few years. Think about the national championship streak. Think about the # of high ranked SEC teams at the end of the year.

    It's incredible. As an SEC fan, I couldn't be happier. BUT....

    It's like the SEC has reached Alexander Shunnarah status in terms of coverage. We have so much exposure that you can't avoid us. It's overkill. But is the overkill good or bad? Is it so dominant that the rest of the CFB nation will start to give up?

    Take your SEC colored glasses off and try to observe this from the outside.

    P.S. How many Shunnarah billboards are in your town?

    Actually, I have had the same thoughts. Sometimes I really do wish that the Nebraskas, Oklahomas, USCs, Ohio States, and Michigans were relevant again.

    jrogers791

  • tarheel03 said...

    ESPN praying Ohio State plays Alabama for National Championship next year. Coverage would be ridiculous!

    Me too!

    Crimson PA

  • BigBubbaFloyd said...

    Man you use a Tarheel username and you went to Bama. If you are an Alabama fan nothing else matters. Who didn't watch UNC basketball? This is America but, I've got to give you a big, come on man. You've got to be from this new generation.

    Thank's for that enlightening post.

    A ton of things matter besides Alabama football. Family, kids, job, traveling, hobbies, and yes... even other sports teams...both collegiate and professional. What do you say to the people who like the Braves, Saints and Falcons on here? I don't seeing you calling them out. That's "another team," right? But according to you, other teams don't matter because we all went to College at Bama.

    Maybe you're just implying college....

    In that case, what about my 2 college roomates who were trainers for the UA football team for 5+ years. They sacrificed most of their college social life and woke up before 5 6 days a week to go work for the football team they loved since they were a kid. But get this...One is a diehard UNC bball fan (much bigger than me) and one eats, sleeps and breathes Duke basketball. By your logic, I guess we should hang them for treason, right?

    And Regarding North Carolina, I watched Carolina games with my dad ever since I could remember. The days of Eric Montross, George Lynch, Lil' Ed Cota, Carter, Jamison, Zwikker were my favorite. It's not like I jumped on when Roy Williams or Psycho T showed up.

    ....and then you close it out with "come on man"???

    Football Night in America called. They want their cheesy phrase back.

    In closing: Roll Tide, Go Heels, Come on Chelsea, Let's Go Mets, J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets. (wow, that's 5 teams I support. I've got issues).

    tarheel03

  • tarheel03 said...

    A few guys had this discussion yesterday and it led to some interesting points. I want to know what you guys think.

    Question: Is the SEC so dominant right now that it's hurting College Football as a whole?

    Think about it. We all love how the SEC is absolutely crushing it right now

    It's incredible. As an SEC fan, I couldn't be happier. BUT....

    Take your SEC colored glasses off and try to observe this from the outside.

    Dear tar heel fan,

    First of all, I'm not an SEC fan - never have been. I truly don't give a damn about the rest of the conference. I'm a University of Alabama alumnus - 3rd generation. I've loved the Tide ever since I was a kid.

    Now, to your point about the relative strength of the conference and if it's "hurting college football:" No, it's not. This notion you suggested is analogous to the notion, "is the one brilliant student bad for the entire class because he/she is setting the curve on every single test? The answer is obviously, "no." If anything, that student helps establish and reinforce exactly what every single student should aspire to: BEING THE BEST, all because of his/her hard work, dedication and a near religious commitment to excellence.

    If anything, college football is the one thing that the wrong-righting liberals of this country haven't ruined. I pray it isn't yet another step along the continuum that is, "the wussification of America."

    Now, my question for you: Should we handicap the best achievers in this country because "it's fair?" Should we dumb down our academic requirements because it makes low-end performers feel bad? Should we limit Nick Saban's ability to sign the #1 recruiting class 3 out of the past 4 years, because it gives Alabama an unfair advantage on the field of play? Where is this "wussification" really headed? Will college sports one day stop keeping score, so that there isn't a losing team, who feels bad not being as good as the winner?

    This post was edited by zigzag on 2/9/2013 at 6:22 AM

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  • zigzag said...

    Dear tar heel fan,

    First of all, I'm not an SEC fan - never have been. And I truly don't give a damn about the rest of the conference. I'm a University of Alabama alumnus - 3rd generation. I've loved the Tide ever since I was a kid.

    Now, to your point about the relative strength of the conference and if it's "hurting college football:" No, it's not. This notion you suggested is analogous to the notion, "is the one brilliant student bad for the entire class because he/she is setting the curve on every single test? The answer is obviously, "no." If anything, that student helps establish and reinforce exactly what every single student should to aspire to: BEING THE BEST, all because of his/her hard work, dedication and a near religious commitment to excellence.

    If anything, college football is the one thing that the wrong-righting liberals of this country haven't ruined. I pray it isn't yet another step along the continuum that is "the wussification of America."

    Now, my question for you: Should we handicap the best achievers in this country because "it's fair?" Should we dumb down our academic requirements because it makes low-end performers feel bad? Should we limit Nick Saban's ability to sign the #1 recruiting class 3 out of the past 4 years, because it gives Alabama an unfair advantage on the field of play? Where is this "wussification" really headed? Will college sports one day stop keeping score, so that there isn't a losing team, who feels bad not being as good as the winner?

    Great post. +1. And No...never handicap the best achievers! That's why my kids will never play in an "equal" league like an Upward Basketball. I want my kids to experience what victory feels like, but they also need to feel what it's like to get their tales handed to them. Experiencing defeat, working hard to overcome challenges and finally achieving the ultimate goal is what it's all about. That's why it feels amazing that Alabama is currently on this historic run. Winning 3 of the last 4 is one thing....but overcoming the adversity of all the horrible years before Saban arrived makes it that much more special. I was in college when Shula was coach. I had it rough, but those dark times were needed to reach where we are now.

    "Wussification" was what I was trying to get to in my original post. I guess I didn't know how to say it. So the original question should be rephrased:

    Do you think if the SEC keeps dominating on this level, do the other conferences and teams start to lose interest in their team and college football as a whole. In other words, do they flat out quit??

    tarheel03

  • I think its bad long term. The SEC is going to end up like the NFL where all teams are good. A 10-2 SEC championship team may get shut out of a four team playoff where the other schools are 12-0 or 11-1 in their weak conference.

    The weekly grind is going to catch up to the SEC teams. We can no longer confuse Ole Miss for being a bye week with them signing top talent. Add on another contender in A&M. MSU was top 10 when we played them. LSU is always good. And Auburn will be competitive.

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  • The SEC as a whole has won 7 straight BCS titles, but lets not forget that 5 of them were won by 2 coaches, Saban and Meyer.

    It's not so much SEC dominance anymore as it is Alabama dominance. Leagues and sports need dominating programs. They need teams that are polarizing. Yankees in baseball. Lakers in basketball. Patriots in football most recently. What we are doing is not much different than what USC did under Carroll. I get that you're referring to SEC dominance but when I look at our league honestly I see the SEC dominance that's being referred to recently as mostly Alabama dominance.

    Fogtown

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  • JDC2010 said...

    You think Washington St. forks up the same amount of money and benefits for players as elite SEC programs (Us, LSU, Fla...)? How about Colorado?

    That is my point.

    Ok, so you think vanderbilt and Kentucky in football are forking up the money too? Your post acts like the only reason the SEC is dominant is because we pay players and none of the other conferences do. When in fact the three most recent finding in ncaa investigations came from Miami, Ohio state, and USC. I'm sure it does go on in some shape or form everywhere, but don't act like its just the SEC. I haven't seen the single piece of evidence that the elite schools in the sec are providing illegal benefits during recruitment of players, so I really don't understand what that has to do with the topic.

    jayalanbama7

  • The answer to your question, in my opinion, is demographics and coaching.

    Less than 60 years ago, Florida and Alabama had nearly the same populations. Now Florida is more than 3 times more populous. Next look at the entire South and compare that to the Midwest. Where is the population growing? Where is the population decreasing? And related to that is the fact that so many elite Southern athletes choose to remain in the South rather than journey to the Midwest or elsewhere. Colleges outside the South developed relationships with many Southern high schools during the era of segregation. Those ties slowly passed away and are now a distant memory to even the grandfathers of today's recruits. Why play in the hyperborean frigid hell of Michigan when you can be a star on any number of competitive teams in the South where the weather is warm and your family is near?

    Next is the coaching. The South has the better coaches. Saban, Miles, and Meyer are not Southerners, but they came South for the talent, the opportunity to win big, the commitment to football, the superior facilities, the money, and the rabid fan base that will always stress football over anything else. Who would have thought Bielma would take the Arkansas job? Would that have been even remotely possible 20 or 30 years ago?

    What mystifies me is Texas. With the talent available in the Lone Star State, there is no explaining the Longhorn's consistent record of underachieving.

    Tidaltown