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  • Still not sure why some of you are so bound and determined and would RATHER believe that our kicker just sucks as opposed to it being strategic. Obviously if our opponents have been averaging starting out at the 24, something is going well.

    Would it take Coach Saban addressing the issue himself? If he did and stated it is done intentionally would you make fun of him, tell him he's stupid, or that he's FOS?

    Just wondering...

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  • I'd rather have a kicker who put them all through the endzone (like arkansas kicker???) but Foster is the kicker we got and the angle kick seems to be a reasonable strategy for him. Coverage is much better than past couple of years but I still get nervous each time he kicks off and suspect we'll have a runback in a critcal game that will really hurt us. He did have a great tackle as I recall though (game saving?).

    I'm really more concerned with punting. seems it takes a long time to get our punts off. Roughing kicker yesterday was close (and what was that clobbering the returner about--though it didn't appear to be a very visible fair catch signal he put up)

    wnlape

  • OK, everybody, here's the point. Can Foster kick the ball in the endzone? Probably. Is it a good strategy to not kick it in the endzone but to pin the returner against the sideline and maybe stop them inside the 20? Sure.

    But like every other phase of football, you have to execute. Is the sideline kickoff strategy a good one? Yes. Was our execution of it last night good? No.

    The starting line of scrimmage after each kickoff was the 40 (the OB kick...again, poor execution), 41, 29, 29, 33, 33, and 30. That's an average starting position of the 33.5 yardline. No, that's not very good, even though our average for the year had been better than that.

    I think we're all astute enough football fans to recognize the strategy and the potential effectiveness of it. What we all want to see is better execution. Did it kill us last night? No. But there's also no denying that their two scoring drives (if you can call the first one a drive) came after our two worst kickoffs.

    airharper

  • Bleedscrimson said...

    This is a "BOOM", IMO.

    Strategy... and it's working.

    Working for the year? Yes.

    Working last night? Not so much. See my previous post. Average starting point after kickoffs, for Florida last night...33.5 yard line.

    Great strategy...sometimes needs better execution.

    airharper

  • Bleedscrimson said...

    Still not sure why some of you are so bound and determined and would RATHER believe that our kicker just sucks as opposed to it being strategic. Obviously if our opponents have been averaging starting out at the 24, something is going well.

    Would it take Coach Saban addressing the issue himself? If he did and stated it is done intentionally would you make fun of him, tell him he's stupid, or that he's FOS?

    Just wondering...

    Getting the ball to the endzone, or to within a foot of the endzone either way, isn't DEEP INTO THE ENDZONE.

    If Foster could kick it deep into the endzone, we wouldn't have to worry about kicking it at an angle or having any kind of "strategy" when it comes to our kickoffs. We'd blast it deep into the endzone, sometimes straight out of the back of it, and be on our way.

    Again, watch the 2 kickoff's we had in the 2nd half, where Florida's other returner was on the field and both of them landed at the base of the middle of the goal line. Why didn't those have all that loft on them and come down around the 10?

    This post was edited by RollBamaRoll on 10/2/2011 at 1:05 PM

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  • airharper said...

    Working for the year? Yes.

    Working last night? Not so much. See my previous post. Average starting point after kickoffs, for Florida last night...33.5 yard line.

    Great strategy...sometimes needs better execution.

    You make some fantastic points. It all comes down to execution either way. RTR.

    Bleedscrimson

  • OP quit acting like you know every damn thing about what Saban thinks. Teams are getting great field position with the strategy we are currently using. Eventually this could cost us a game. If Foster can kick the ball deep he should do it, thru the endzone if possible. I would much rather the other team have the ball on the 20 than the 40 every time. The strategy is not working so change it if possible or go find someone on the University of Alabama Campus that can kick it thru the endzone.

    bamakev333

  • RollBamaRoll said...

    Getting the ball to the endzone, or to within a foot of the endzone either way, isn't DEEP INTO THE ENDZONE.

    If Foster could kick it deep into the endzone, we wouldn't have to worry about kicking it at an angle or having any kind of "strategy" when it comes to our kickoffs. We'd blast it deep into the endzone, sometimes straight out of the back of it, and be on our way.

    Again, watch the 2 kickoff's we had in the 2nd half, where Florida's other returner was on the field and both of them landed at the base of the middle of the goal line. Why didn't those have all that loft on them and come down around the 10?

    Right... so what exactly are you disagreeing with? I've said the same thing two or three times. If he had the leg to get it deep, we wouldn't have to worry about it.

    He doesn't, so we have to plan accordingly.

    I choose to believe that it's a coaching decision.

    Some others would rather believe that our kicker just sucks.

    Bleedscrimson

  • roll_tide_55 said...

    Nothing you said makes any sense. If he can kick it past the ten yard line then he can kick it in the endzone. And hey guess what, If he kicks it in the endzone there is a decent chance that the return team doesn't even attempt a return.

    Also, if the purpose is to kick it high and short then that creates more of an opportunity for the kickoff team to run PAST the returner. Kickoff coverage is all about angles and you definitely don't want to be BEHIND a guy like Demps trying to get an angle on him. That is why he almost broke two last night. And no if you ask Saban he will not say the same thing as you.

    The staff here have confirmed that the short high kicks are by design and what Saban wants. Sorry.

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  • bamakev333 said...

    OP quit acting like you know every damn thing about what Saban thinks. Teams are getting great field position with the strategy we are currently using. Eventually this could cost us a game. If Foster can kick the ball deep he should do it, thru the endzone if possible. I would much rather the other team have the ball on the 20 than the 40 every time. The strategy is not working so change it if possible or go find someone on the University of Alabama Campus that can kick it thru the endzone.

    Holy frick... have you read through this thread? Obviously if Foster was able to kick it through the endzone, that's what we'd be doing. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue about there.

    Secondly, Florida is the ONLY team we've played that has started their drives with "good field position". Before last night, our opponents were starting their drives at the 24 yard line on average - as another poster pointed out. Coincidentally, the only team we've played or will play that has two return guys who run 4.3 forty yard dashes is Florida....

    It is what it is. It has worked incredibly well until last night.

    Bleedscrimson

  • samdog91 said...

    The staff here have confirmed that the short high kicks are by design and what Saban wants. Sorry.

    Exactly. Their is a lot of ignorance in this thread. He has plenty of leg strength. Coverage kicks are by design. Here are the facts.

    - Coverage this year has been outstanding and most teams have not made the 20 consistently on returns.

    - HS kickers kick it from 10 yards closer.

    - Saban wants coverage kicks

    Now for the UF game I don't think Foster was getting it as deep as the strategy requires. I'm sure Saban did not want UF fielding the ball at the 15 yard line. Ideally a good coverage kick will go to the 5 yard line. Secondly, our coverage was not as good last night as it has been but then again UF is good in ST and has some burners back there. So what happened was by plan but was not executed as well as it has been earlier in the season.

    RTR 65

  • bamakev333 said...

    ... or go find someone on the University of Alabama Campus that can kick it thru the endzone.

    And this statement is ridiculous. There are only a handful of people in the entire country that can do this on a regular basis. You don't just "go find someone" who can do that.

    Bleedscrimson

  • Bleedscrimson said...

    And this statement is ridiculous. There are only a handful of people in the entire country that can do this on a regular basis. You don't just "go find someone" who can do that.

    You know you are wasting your time here right?

    RTR 65

  • Uh you do realize Maze was catching the ball in the endzone last night and we were getting better field position than UF. In fact Maze returned one 70 yards and another 40 yards. After the first 2 kickoffs to them we were stopping them before the 30. Our kickoff strategy worked better than their kick it in the endzone strategy.

    They were catching the ball on the 10 and returning to the 30 and the 40 once. We were catching it in the endzone and returning it to the 30 on the opposite side of the field. Sabans got this under control.

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  • RTR 65 said...

    You know you are wasting your time here right?

    Probably so, but it bugs the hell out of me.

    Some of the folks in this thread are the same ones we sit by on Saturdays who scream and yell and cuss and complain the entire game because they think we just have the worst kicker in the SEC.

    That's actually why I started this thread. I sat by TWO men last night who would do that after every single kickoff...

    "WHY CAN'T WE GET A DAYUM KICKER TO KICK THE BAWL?"

    "DAMMIT! KICK THE DAYUM BAWL BOY!"

    "WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE GET A DAYUM KICKER THAT CAN KICK THE DAYUM BAWL HARDER THAN THAYAT?

    You get my point lol...

    Bleedscrimson

  • Bleedscrimson said...

    This post is simply inaccurate on a bunch of different levels. The angles are different, but not 'hurt"... we're not talking about a punt here... I've never seen anyone on our coverage team run past the returner before he catches the ball. Kickoff coverage is about maintaining lanes down the field... not angles to the ball.

    Secondly, and this is not to boast but to simply show that I'm not just some random fan with a random thought throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks... I played at the collegiate level - not D1, because I was small for my position, but I have been around the game, I know the game, and spend upwards of 80 hours a week as a coach of the game currently.

    Take that however you like.

    Well dang man why didn't you just say so. A D2 or lower football player who coaches junior high or high school football............can't find many of those around can you? shrug You really are a football genius!

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  • its supposed to go to the goaline not the 10

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  • roll_tide_55 said...

    Well dang man why didn't you just say so. A D2 or lower football player who coaches junior high or high school football............can't find many of those around can you?

    Apparently not many in this thread. Particularly this Roll_Tide_55 guy who enjoys getting defensive over stupid crap. You don't have to like it.

    There are people on this message board that have forgotten more about the game of football than I'll ever know. But I know enough about the game and enough about our coaching staff to make a pretty damn good guess.

    You've brought nothing to this thread but back handed insults and sarcastic bullcrap.

    According to some others in this thread, our staff here has confirmed the strategy. What is your opinion about that?

    Do you think Saban is just a raging idiot that doesn't understand tacking angles and kickoff procedures?

    Thanks in advance for the well informed, thoroughly thought out response you are sure to give.

    Bleedscrimson

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  • Bleedscrimson said...

    Apparently not many in this thread. Particularly this Roll_Tide_55 guy who enjoys getting defensive over stupid crap. You don't have to like it.

    There are people on this message board that have forgotten more about the game of football than I'll ever know. But I know enough about the game and enough about our coaching staff to make a pretty damn good guess.

    You've brought nothing to this thread but back handed insults and sarcastic bullcrap.

    According to some others in this thread, our staff here has confirmed the strategy. What is your opinion about that?

    Do you think Saban is just a raging idiot that doesn't understand tacking angles and kickoff procedures?

    Thanks in advance for the well informed, thoroughly thought out response you are sure to give.

    I have brought nothing but backhanded insults and sarcastic crap? Let us revisit much of this thread:

    QUOTATIONS FROM BLEEDSCRIMSON:

    “Thanks for adding something to the thread.
    To those of you choosing to downvote this thread, I can guarantee you that Coach Saban would tell you the exact same thing I just did.
    Some of you screaming "WHY CAN'T WE JUST KICK THE DAYUM BAWL DEEP?!?" need to relax and realize it's being done for a reason.”

    “Probably so, but it bugs the hell out of me.
    Some of the folks in this thread are the same ones we sit by on Saturdays who scream and yell and cuss and complain the entire game because they think we just have the worst kicker in the SEC.
    That's actually why I started this thread. I sat by TWO men last night who would do that after every single kickoff...
    "WHY CAN'T WE GET A DAYUM KICKER TO KICK THE BAWL?"
    "DAMMIT! KICK THE DAYUM BAWL BOY!"
    "WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE GET A DAYUM KICKER THAT CAN KICK THE DAYUM BAWL HARDER THAN THAYAT?
    You get my point lol...”

    “If he had the leg to kick it out of the endzone, that's what we'd be doing. He doesn't, so we aren't.
    How difficult is that to understand?”

    END OF QUOTATIONS FROM BLEEDSCRIMSON

    Look it's your "I know more about football than the rest of you" and the "I know the coaching staff" attitude that has gotten you the flack and downvotes. You are the one who got way too defensive. You played some football at a D2 or lower level.....guess what so has thousands of other kids thousands of other kids. I am sorry but that doesn't make you special. And I don't know what the staff has said on the topic but I have a hard time believing that Cade Foster is purposely kicking it to the 15 and especially after watching our kicker make 2 touchdown saving tackles last night,

    This post was edited by roll_tide_55 on 10/2/2011 at 3:07 PM

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  • I thought the high short kicks were supposed to stay in the air longer and land at around the 20-25.

    No?

    Seabreeze2