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  • I don't know why so many think this is strategy. I guarantee it was not strategy to give the fastest college football player even a chance to return. We caused a penalty that took the ball to the 40 cuz we were trying to keep it away from him.

    VegasTide

  • I'm not reading this entire thread. But when Florida was getting the ball at the 40 yd line every kickoff, I'm pretty sure we would have kicked the ball into the endzone for touchback if we could. We can't, we still won. I'm not sure why people spin this. No matter how short of a return the returners have had this season, they still bring it out past the 20, where it would be if a touchback occurred. If we could, we would blast it into the stands.

    guesthome1234

  • In simple terms: Cade can kick it into the end-zone but not consistently and when he does he has to drive it with a lower trajectory and less hang time. This creates more spacing for the return man to set up his blocks and create more angles and openings to crease. It also gives the returner about a 10-15 yard lane to gain momentum. It just puts a higher probability for a longer return into play. By design we are having Cade kick it up with a moderate hang and more accuracy placing the ball between the 5 and 10 yard line. This shortens our coverage units path and allows them to use the boundary as a defender and umbrella their coverage.

    Last night UF had obviously caught onto this. They allowed the flow of our coverage into our normal tendency but then they angled their initial blocking away from this and got us to split the coverage with fewer defenders to the inside leverage. In other words they allowed us to force our coverage but they protected the backside of the coverage and that gave their returners a seam. It also didn't help that instead of getting the ball to the 10 yard line and in...we laid it at the 15-10 only giving our guys 2-3 yards to size up the returner and adjust. That just isn't enough. Prior to last night we have done and excellent job in coverage.

    It is by design that we are doing this. If Cade could kick it through the end-zone every time he would be doing so. We have learned where he can kick it consistently and where we can cover it and that's what were doing.

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  • VegasTide said...

    I don't know why so many think this is strategy. I guarantee it was not strategy to give the fastest college football player even a chance to return. We caused a penalty that took the ball to the 40 cuz we were trying to keep it away from him.

    Good lord no one is saying we wouldnt kick it out of the back of the endzone if CadE could. Peope are saying he cant do that so instead of kicking a line drive 2 yards deep in the endzone we are making him kick a high ball to the 5-15. This isnt hard to understand...it aint rocket science. Well maybe it is to some of you. Trajectory is involved. Nevermind...this is above some of your heads lol. SMH

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  • well the high kick didnt help anything this game did it. Demps was one foot from breaking it everytime he touched it. Just sayin...

    chase06

  • chase06 said...

    well the high kick didnt help anything this game did it. Demps was one foot from breaking it everytime he touched it. Just sayin...

    Oh yeah...demps nearly killed us...glad we made it thru that 1st quarter...

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    thrill2k1

  • to the OP...I get your point...i get what your saying...

    I didn't downvote you...

    but one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone says "Ask Coach Saban and he'll tell you the same..."

    man i hate that...

    offer your 2 cents and be done with it...

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  • thrill2k1 said...

    to the OP...I get your point...i get what your saying...

    I didn't downvote you...

    but one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone says "Ask Coach Saban and he'll tell you the same..."

    man i hate that...

    offer your 2 cents and be done with it...

    Agreed

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  • samdog91 said...

    Good lord no one is saying we wouldnt kick it out of the back of the endzone if CadE could. Peope are saying he cant do that so instead of kicking a line drive 2 yards deep in the endzone we are making him kick a high ball to the 5-15. This isnt hard to understand...it aint rocket science. Well maybe it is to some of you. Trajectory is involved. Nevermind...this is above some of your heads lol. SMH

    Ha, +1... calm down. I think everyone is a bit confused here. Here are the points as I understand them:

    1. Cade is kicking with all of his might and its only making it to the 1-15 yard line.

    2. Cade can kick it deep in the end zone for a touchback, but Saban's design is to have him kick it high to the 1-15 yard line so our guys can get into coverage.

    3. Cade can kick it into the endzone, but only 2 yards deep at best and its a line drive when that happens. Therefore, Saban prefers a shorter kick w/ air under it so our guys can get into coverage.

    It seems that the staff has confirmed #3 based on what people are saying...although, I haven't heard them state that. But that's fine. We had the fastest guy in college football have some success early against us, but other than that, we've been solid. So until something goes horribly wrong, I guess I don't mind either way.

    VegasTide

  • SweetHomeNYC said...

    You know your team kicks ass when people are complaining about the kicker.

    You're right SweetHome, but it's obvious our kicking game is below average. OP can say whatever he/she wants, but Cade Foster is hurting us. Arkansas started close to the 40-yard line several times as did Florida. Our defense is just so good they wipeout the poor kickoffs. I am absolutely baffled that we can't find a kid that can routinely kick it deep into the endzone or out of it completely. That was supposedly why we spent a scholarship on Foster, because of his strong leg. Not only that, our punter is very slow to get the punts off and he has struggled as well.

    None of this may matter since we are dominant in so many areas, but don't try to give us some "it's strategy" bs. No it's not. It's an area that needs obvious improvement and every breakdown of our team by an objective source will tell you that. Maze is the only thing that keeps us having a good name in special teams this year. And Shelley is very consistent on short FGs.

    Bama Swoosh

  • Bleedscrimson said...

    Kicking the ball high and short (to about the 10 yard line) is a part of the strategic gameplan.

    It prevents the return team from being able to set up quality running lanes for the returner because the defenders close the space off so quickly. Foster doesn't have quite enough leg to put it deep in the endzone, so this is done to help avoid big returns (and has worked exceptionally well for the most part).

    I can't tell you how many people I've heard and seen complain about this... I have no idea how folks don't understand what's going on. Do you really think our scholarship kicker can't kick the ball past the 10 or 15 yard line? Come on, now.

    I agree with the kickoff strtegy, but there is no excude to have a punting average of 34-35 yards per game we need at least 8-10 yds more per punt.

    weracoba

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  • alley_bammer said...

    no, that's out straje-teddie according to the OP.

    we're trying to fool them into thinking that we think they think we think we can't kick it out of the end zone.

    by giving them on the 40 instead of the 20 it lulls them into a false sense of confidence. what a maroon

    Until last night, our opponents averaged starting at the 24. Pretty. Damn. Good.

    But I'm a moron.

    I'm going to attempt to get this questioned asked by the media directly to Coach Saban. The response from some of you will be hilarious.

    Bleedscrimson

  • VegasTide said...

    Ha, +1... calm down. I think everyone is a bit confused here. Here are the points as I understand them:

    1. Cade is kicking with all of his might and its only making it to the 1-15 yard line.

    2. Cade can kick it deep in the end zone for a touchback, but Saban's design is to have him kick it high to the 1-15 yard line so our guys can get into coverage.

    3. Cade can kick it into the endzone, but only 2 yards deep at best and its a line drive when that happens. Therefore, Saban prefers a shorter kick w/ air under it so our guys can get into coverage.

    It seems that the staff has confirmed #3 based on what people are saying...although, I haven't heard them state that. But that's fine. We had the fastest guy in college football have some success early against us, but other than that, we've been solid. So until something goes horribly wrong, I guess I don't mind either way.

    That's basically the summation of this entire thread... except for #2... I think it's consensus that IF he had the leg to put it deep in the endzone consistently, then that's what we'd be doing.

    Bleedscrimson

  • weracoba said...

    I agree with the kickoff strtegy, but there is no excude to have a punting average of 34-35 yards per game we need at least 8-10 yds more per punt.

    FWIW, I agree with those of you complaining about the punting...

    Kickoffs are a different story.

    Bleedscrimson

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    DocShakey

  • Again, I'm not sure where people have seen anyone suggest that Foster is capable of putting it deep into the endzone. The entire premise behind this thread is that since he CAN'T kick it deep into the endzone or out of the endzone, we have to prepare and strategize accordingly.

    Obviously if he could kick it deep enough to force a touchback, that's what we'd be doing.

    This post was edited by Bleedscrimson on 10/2/2011 at 8:34 PM

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  • Bleedscrimson said...

    Until last night, our opponents averaged starting at the 24. Pretty. Damn. Good.

    But I'm a moron.

    I'm going to attempt to get this questioned asked by the media directly to Coach Saban. The response from some of you will be hilarious.

    Do you need us to give you Chris's email or can you find it on your own Mr.coach?

    This post was edited by roll_tide_55 on 10/2/2011 at 9:15 PM

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  • roll_tide_55 said...

    Do you need us to give you Chris's email or can you find it on your own Mr.coach?

    Well, here's a quote from the Executive Sports Editor of the Tuscaloosa News. He was asked why no media member had asked the question, and he gave a rather lengthy response. This was the quote I was looking for though:

    "Alabama is obviously directional kicking -- Saban has addressed this before. He wants hang time and likes to kick it away from the returners instead of right to them, because it makes it harder for the opponent to set up blocks on returns. Hang time is essential to avoid what Maze did to Florida -- a line-drive kick into the end zone that got returned 70 yards in game-changing fashion because the coverage unit didn't have time to fill the lanes.

    I hope that helps someone understand the media end of why it hasn't been asked, and why UA kicks the ball higher and shorter instead of lower and longer, and why the kicks are aimed to one corner of the field or other."

    I'm sure he's just an idiot, though. He just speaks to Coach Saban on an almost daily basis. I'm sure there's nothing to it. It'd be pure stupidity to intentionally kick the ball to the 10 yard line. Ya know... for those kickoff coverage angles. moon

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