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  • I honestly thought it was a strategy of some sort too, as I figured even if he sucked he couldn't suck that bad.

    That's why I was asking why the last 2 kicks, in the 2nd half of the game, went right down the middle of the field & landed on the base of the goal line.

    It's nice to know the greatest coach in all the land isn't partially insane. Our kicker just flat needs to work on some things, to put it nicely. lol

    This post was edited by RollBamaRoll on 10/3/2011 at 1:33 PM

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  • roll_tide_55 said...

    clapAtleast you are man enough to say you were wrong and apologize. I accept your apology and I apologize for taking things personal. cheers

    cheers

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  • Bleedscrimson said...

    cheers

    Upvotes for you for handling this the right way....

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  • RTR 65 said...

    Exactly. Their is a lot of ignorance in this thread. He has plenty of leg strength. Coverage kicks are by design. Here are the facts.

    - Coverage this year has been outstanding and most teams have not made the 20 consistently on returns.

    - HS kickers kick it from 10 yards closer.

    - Saban wants coverage kicks

    Now for the UF game I don't think Foster was getting it as deep as the strategy requires. I'm sure Saban did not want UF fielding the ball at the 15 yard line. Ideally a good coverage kick will go to the 5 yard line. Secondly, our coverage was not as good last night as it has been but then again UF is good in ST and has some burners back there. So what happened was by plan but was not executed as well as it has been earlier in the season.

    The staff here may think that but Saban begs to differ. Who ya believe?

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  • Well hell what coach wouldn't want their kicker to nail the ball right through the end zone every time. I think that was the most obvious statement out there. Its not the coaches choice to kick it short. It is by necessity alone. Its been 2 years of Cade kicking it this way. It didn't appear overnight. We have to cover his kicks in the manner in which he kicks them. Right now he can't kick the ball into the end zone. So does anyone think we go into the game thinking Cade can magically start kicking the ball through the endzone? I mean honestly a coach with the most strict game planning in the nation doesn't know what his kicker can and can't do. Really I think a lot of people took this thread and what was said in it and interpreted it the way they wanted to. The OP made a good observation...

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  • helenatider said...

    Well hell what coach wouldn't want their kicker to nail the ball right through the end zone every time. I think that was the most obvious statement out there. Its not the coaches choice to kick it short. It is by necessity alone. Its been 2 years of Cade kicking it this way. It didn't appear overnight. We have to cover his kicks in the manner in which he kicks them. Right now he can't kick the ball into the end zone. So does anyone think we go into the game thinking Cade can magically start kicking the ball through the endzone? I mean honestly a coach with the most strict game planning in the nation doesn't know what his kicker can and can't do. Really I think a lot of people took this thread and what was said in it and interpreted it the way they wanted to. The OP made a good observation...

    What? Saban said it wasn't by design. The OP said it was. There's nothing wrong to be taken. Even the OP said he was wrong. I know you like to try and be the smartest guy in the room but the OP said he was wrong and even know I'm just slightly smart enough to see where you are going with this, the OP's point was in fact no matter if he could kick it out of the endzone or not we would still be kicking it to te 10 yard line. Clearly that is not the case.

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  • helenatider said...

    Well hell what coach wouldn't want their kicker to nail the ball right through the end zone every time. I think that was the most obvious statement out there. Its not the coaches choice to kick it short. It is by necessity alone. Its been 2 years of Cade kicking it this way. It didn't appear overnight. We have to cover his kicks in the manner in which he kicks them. Right now he can't kick the ball into the end zone. So does anyone think we go into the game thinking Cade can magically start kicking the ball through the endzone? I mean honestly a coach with the most strict game planning in the nation doesn't know what his kicker can and can't do. Really I think a lot of people took this thread and what was said in it and interpreted it the way they wanted to. The OP made a good observation...

    I see what you are saying here, I think what people jumped all over was the OP not being able to handle when people disagreed with him. That is one of the biggest problems on this board over the last year or so is that people can't just agree to disagree on things without prompting verbal attacks on each other. The OP was stating opinion as fact and others had differing opinions. Simple as that.

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  • Also, +1 to the OP for manning up ITT. Got to respect that.

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  • Bleedscrimson, +1 for admitting you were wrong.

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  • scottchap said...

    Bleedscrimson, +1 for admitting you were wrong.

    Just want to point out that the OP has gotten more upvotes for being wrong than I have for being right lol. My rating took a little bit of a hit in this thread blackeye. Just trying to lighten the mood lol not begging for upvotes............well not explicitly anyways..................................................................biggrin

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  • Dreadnought said...

    What? Saban said it wasn't by design. The OP said it was. There's nothing wrong to be taken. Even the OP said he was wrong. I know you like to try and be the smartest guy in the room but the OP said he was wrong and even know I'm just slightly smart enough to see where you are going with this, the OP's point was in fact no matter if he could kick it out of the endzone or not we would still be kicking it to te 10 yard line. Clearly that is not the case.

    For the record, that was not at all what I was arguing. My argument was that since Cade isn't able to kick it out of the endzone, we had to alter the plan accordingly - thus it being a strategy to avoid a big return. It appears that I was still flat wrong, but I never argued that Cade had the leg but we choose to still kick it short. FWIW.

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  • Bleedscrimson said...

    For the record, that was not at all what I was arguing. My argument was that since Cade isn't able to kick it out of the endzone, we had to alter the plan accordingly - thus it being a strategy to avoid a big return. It appears that I was still flat wrong, but I never argued that Cade had the leg but we choose to still kick it short. FWIW.

    Cade had the ability last year. I've seen him put it out of the endzone. It's a strange occurrence. Not sure why he can do it in practice and not the games.

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  • People who say Cade kicked further in hs do realize that he was 10 yards closer then right? He was kicking from the 40 instead of the 30 he is now.

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  • Of course its not by design to not kick it out of the endzone. People are arguing over different points here. It is by design that Saban wants Cade to kick it high and to the corner instead of a low line drive to the goal line. If you notice on twitter right after Sabans comment went out Travis R said sure Saban will let Cade kick it however he wants to as long as its to the right corner and has.a 4 second hang time. That shorter high kick is what Saban wants instead of a low line drive to the goal line. So you can say thats by design. You can split hairs all you want and take quotes out of context. Bottom line is Cade cant do the best possible thing so Saban does the next best thing instead of saying to hell with it. Thats why the staff has said it was by design. It all depends on how you ask the question to Saban.

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  • Because he wasnt consistent. Half the time it was a low line drive one hopper to the 5 that allowed the returner to catch it on the go and have 20 yards to see the field and find lanes.

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  • The strategy most definitely is to kick the ball high and to the corners so that the coverage team can get in position to down the runner before he gets to the 20. However, anyone who thought the ball landing around the 10 yard line was okay is frickin' nuts. You'd want the ball landed ON the goalline, 5 yard line max. At least that long.

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  • Props to you Bleedscrimson for man-ing up!

    It's all good bro! RTR!

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  • Tiffin would kick it out of the end zone in practice too but it never translated in the games...my guess is that they are kicking balloon balls in practice and new balls in games. I think we should sub in a ball for kickers like everyone else does.

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