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  • samdog91 said...

    Of course its not by design to not kick it out of the endzone. People are arguing over different points here. It is by design that Saban wants Cade to kick it high and to the corner instead of a low line drive to the goal line. If you notice on twitter right after Sabans comment went out Travis R said sure Saban will let Cade kick it however he wants to as long as its to the right corner and has.a 4 second hang time. That shorter high kick is what Saban wants instead of a low line drive to the goal line. So you can say thats by design. You can split hairs all you want and take quotes out of context. Bottom line is Cade cant do the best possible thing so Saban does the next best thing instead of saying to hell with it. Thats why the staff has said it was by design. It all depends on how you ask the question to Saban.

    Atleast BC could admit he was wrong uhoh

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  • samdog91 said...

    Of course its not by design to not kick it out of the endzone. People are arguing over different points here. It is by design that Saban wants Cade to kick it high and to the corner instead of a low line drive to the goal line. If you notice on twitter right after Sabans comment went out Travis R said sure Saban will let Cade kick it however he wants to as long as its to the right corner and has.a 4 second hang time. That shorter high kick is what Saban wants instead of a low line drive to the goal line. So you can say thats by design. You can split hairs all you want and take quotes out of context. Bottom line is Cade cant do the best possible thing so Saban does the next best thing instead of saying to hell with it. Thats why the staff has said it was by design. It all depends on how you ask the question to Saban.

    And if what you are saying is correct then why would saban use the analogy of his golf swing? He said when he hits it wrong it goes right or left with not much distance on it. That seems to tell me that he would love for CF to get a good "swing" on it and kick it deep and down the middle.

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  • Umm... so lemme get this straight...

    BC admitted he was wrong and I +1 him for that. Now the other guys that were defending his point to death (calling all of us idiots I might add) are trying to say that what they thought/typed was simply mis-read... or that they didn't completely understand what they were defending?

    Ya, all of us just misread that you thought we were stupid for disagreeing with you. There are plenty more than just BC that should just fess up. I was pretty excited to hop on this thread after watching the presser to see all of the crow being feasted on. So far, only BC has started the buffet, but there's plenty of crow to go around. Just sayin...

    VegasTide

  • roll_tide_55 said...

    And if what you are saying is correct then why would saban use the analogy of his golf swing? He said when he hits it wrong it goes right or left with not much distance on it. That seems to tell me that he would love for CF to get a good "swing" on it and kick it deep and down the middle.

    Wait.....So both myself and CNS used a golf analogy to describe CF's kickoffs?

    Freaking awesome (g).

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  • I have no clue what the op was trying to say. I wpuld have figured.everyone here assumed that Cade couldnt kick it out of the endzone. People here were.complaining about a high kick to the 10-15 and were acting like a line drive to the goal line would be better. Its not.

    If Cade was trying to kick it out of the endzone Saturday night why was he aiming for the right corner and kicking it high? Shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Yall can read that quote however you want but Saban knows Cade cant kick it out of the endzone and calls that right side kick because of it. Or are we to believe Cade accidently kicks it to the same spot every time.

    I dare someone to ask Saban wether he wants Cade to kick a low line drive to the goal line or the way he is doing it now. Thats the only arguement I made and assumed thats what the op was saying. You would have to be insane if you thought we were saying he wanted Cade to do that instead of kicking a touchback. Thats like assuming people know a td is better than a fg. I want eat crow until Saban answers that question which is absurd to me. Cade kicked low line drives at times last year to the goal line amd you saw how that worked out.

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  • Seabreeze2 said...

    I've got a logical explanation: Cade Foster is not performing to the level he was recruited to. Remember, this guy was supposed to be our FG kicker also.

    Bottom line: Cade Foster is killing us with these kickoffs to the 15 yard line. On the 2 scores by Florida, the Gators started the drive at the UF 41 and 46. If that's a strategy, it sucks.

    Exactly what I remember--they returned it past the 40 yd line twice on us--how is this good coverage or strategy?

    strykertidester

  • They returned it past the 40 once the other was out of bounds and got spotted there. Other than that I dont think they got past the 30. On the other hand Sturgis kicked it deep and we had a return of 70 and 43. How did that strategy work out for UF. Up until that one return our kickoff team had been phenomanal all year.

    Travis Reir tweet...Foster is free to kick it out of the end zone...as long as its to the right corner and has a four second hang time.

    Another tweet by Travis..Saban to Foster. Kick it in the stands. But if you kick it low and down the middle youll be there in no time.

    Thats all we were saying. I hate to tell people but Kickoff right is a designed play. If you dont believe me just check it out on the playstation.

    So either me and Travis are full of shit or we actually understand whats going on.

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  • Posted this in the other thread. I hung out with CF's parents and they said the coaches tell him to kick that way. Just telling you what I was told.

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  • samdog91 said...

    I have no clue what the op was trying to say. I wpuld have figured.everyone here assumed that Cade couldnt kick it out of the endzone. People here were.complaining about a high kick to the 10-15 and were acting like a line drive to the goal line would be better. Its not.

    If Cade was trying to kick it out of the endzone Saturday night why was he aiming for the right corner and kicking it high? Shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Yall can read that quote however you want but Saban knows Cade cant kick it out of the endzone and calls that right side kick because of it. Or are we to believe Cade accidently kicks it to the same spot every time.

    I dare someone to ask Saban wether he wants Cade to kick a low line drive to the goal line or the way he is doing it now. Thats the only arguement I made and assumed thats what the op was saying. You would have to be insane if you thought we were saying he wanted Cade to do that instead of kicking a touchback. Thats like assuming people know a td is better than a fg. I want eat crow until Saban answers that question which is absurd to me. Cade kicked low line drives at times last year to the goal line amd you saw how that worked out.

    confusedheadslaplocononobanghead

    You are not good at this being wrong thing are ya buddy.

    You have no clue what the OP was trying to say after spending the entire thread supporting him and talking down to those who disagreed with you?

    Here is a little reminder:

    "Peope are saying he cant do that so instead of kicking a line drive 2 yards deep in the endzone we are making him kick a high ball to the 5-15. This isnt hard to understand...it aint rocket science. Well maybe it is to some of you. Trajectory is involved. Nevermind...this is above some of your heads lol. SMH"

    "If you dont believe me just check it out on the playstation.So either me and Travis are full of shit or we actually understand whats going on."

    "I dare someone to ask Saban wether he wants Cade to kick a low line drive to the goal line or the way he is doing it now. Thats the only arguement I made and assumed thats what the op was saying."

    Really? another one of these? when are you going to give it a rest dude. What part of "it is not by design" don't you understand? If it were "by design" then Saban would be calling for it, but he clearly stated that it is not.

    No one is saying that it cannot be a strategy to kick it right or left, but it is not a strategy to intentionally NOT kick it in the endzone. You are getting you feathers ruffled for nothing. Once again, why did he use the golf swing analogy if he is intentionally telling Cade to kick it short?

    Also, If Cade were doing EXACTLY what Coach Saban wants him to do do you honestly think he would have criticized (maybe too harsh of a word) Cade in the press conference? Why on earth make people believe that Cade is doing something wrong when he is doing everything right? That would take a little bit of a toll on a player don't you think? I mean if what you were saying is true then Saban would have had to approach Cade after the press conference and say: "hey Cade I just told the media that you could put it in the endzones in practice but you couldn't in the game and then I gave them an analogy about how when I mis-swing a golf club it can go left or right without much distance.........but you just ignore that because I was lied to them. You keep doing what we tell you to do which is kick it to the 10-15 and to the right."

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  • Your totally missing the point. A coverage kick is by nature a high trajectory kick. Ideally a good coverage kick will be to or in the endzone. Watch Foster kick now and look at this vid and you will see the difference. I believe what Saban is referring to is that kicking to the 15 and having returns to the 35-40 is not by design however it is a coverage kick and that is indisputable.

    This is the same type video you will see from our committed kicker. Its 10 yards closer. Makes a huge difference. Personally I like having an "athlete" for a kicker who is not a liability when it comes to making a tackle. Ask Jeff Demps.

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  • tojo1968 said...

    Posted this in the other thread. I hung out with CF's parents and they said the coaches tell him to kick that way. Just telling you what I was told.

    Thank you. Im not argiung this any more because its stupid. I know for a fact what I was saying is true. If you have eyes you couldnt come to any other conclusion. If you think me Travis R and this guy are wrong you got problems.

    And to the dude that keeps responding I clearly.stated several times that people are arguing over different things here. Some people are arguing over something that most people would assume was a moot point. Which was Cade couldnt kick a touchback so he was kicking coverage kicks. Im not sure which point the op was arguing but other people in the thread were on the same page as me and they deserved to be responded too.

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  • samdog91 said...

    Thank you. Im not argiung this any more because its stupid. I know for a fact what I was saying is true. If you have eyes you couldnt come to any other conclusion. If you think me Travis R and this guy are wrong you got problems.

    And to the dude that keeps responding I clearly.stated several times that people are arguing over different things here. Some people are arguing over something that most people would assume was a moot point. Which was Cade couldnt kick a touchback so he was kicking coverage kicks. Im not sure which point the op was arguing but other people in the thread were on the same page as me and they deserved to be responded too.

    Just answer one question:

    If Cade is strategically kicking it a certain way then why did Saban use his golf swing analogy? He said that when he mis-hits the ball it goes left or right and loses distance. Why would he say that if he instructed Cade to kick it the way he is kicking?

    "I know for a fact what I was saying is true. If you have eyes you couldnt come to any other conclusion. If you think me Travis R and this guy are wrong you got problems."

    really? sounds like you got problems.

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  • samdog91 said...

    I hate to tell people but Kickoff right is a designed play. If you dont believe me just check it out on the playstation.

    So either me and Travis are full of shit or we actually understand whats going on.

    Your right but it does not lend credibility when you use playstation as an example.

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  • RTR 65 said...

    Your right but it does not lend credibility when you use playstation as an example.

    BS!!!!! Playstation trumphs all mother f#%^#&@!....................................

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  • roll_tide_55 said...

    confusedheadslaplocononobanghead

    You are not good at this being wrong thing are ya buddy.

    You have no clue what the OP was trying to say after spending the entire thread supporting him and talking down to those who disagreed with you?

    Here is a little reminder:

    "Peope are saying he cant do that so instead of kicking a line drive 2 yards deep in the endzone we are making him kick a high ball to the 5-15. This isnt hard to understand...it aint rocket science. Well maybe it is to some of you. Trajectory is involved. Nevermind...this is above some of your heads lol. SMH"

    "If you dont believe me just check it out on the playstation.So either me and Travis are full of shit or we actually understand whats going on."

    "I dare someone to ask Saban wether he wants Cade to kick a low line drive to the goal line or the way he is doing it now. Thats the only arguement I made and assumed thats what the op was saying."

    Really? another one of these? when are you going to give it a rest dude. What part of "it is not by design" don't you understand? If it were "by design" then Saban would be calling for it, but he clearly stated that it is not.

    No one is saying that it cannot be a strategy to kick it right or left, but it is not a strategy to intentionally NOT kick it in the endzone. You are getting you feathers ruffled for nothing. Once again, why did he use the golf swing analogy if he is intentionally telling Cade to kick it short?

    Also, If Cade were doing EXACTLY what Coach Saban wants him to do do you honestly think he would have criticized (maybe too harsh of a word) Cade in the press conference? Why on earth make people believe that Cade is doing something wrong when he is doing everything right? That would take a little bit of a toll on a player don't you think? I mean if what you were saying is true then Saban would have had to approach Cade after the press conference and say: "hey Cade I just told the media that you could put it in the endzones in practice but you couldn't in the game and then I gave them an analogy about how when I mis-swing a golf club it can go left or right without much distance.........but you just ignore that because I was lied to them. You keep doing what we tell you to do which is kick it to the 10-15 and to the right."

    +1 to you sir. You saved me from being "that guy" and doing all the research. I wasn't looking forward to writing such a long post. I count about 3 or 4 people that have issues simply stating, "OK, I was wrong... my bad".

    VegasTide

  • Bleedscrimson said...

    Foster doesn't have quite enough leg to put it deep in the endzone, so this is done to help avoid big returns (and has worked exceptionally well for the most part).

    Do you really think our scholarship kicker can't kick the ball past the 10 or 15 yard line?

    You realize you contradicted yourself? Either he doesn't have the leg to put it deep in the endzone or our scholarship kicker can kick it in the endzone. Which is it?

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  • bspit8 said...

    You realize you contradicted yourself? Either he doesn't have the leg to put it deep in the endzone or our scholarship kicker can kick it in the endzone. Which is it?

    "Deep into the EZ" and "into the EZ" ain't the same thing.
    "Deep into the EZ" = no return.
    A low line drive that barely breaches the goalline = a return and very possibly a big return

    Bama_Lefty

  • Bama_Lefty said...

    "Deep into the EZ" and "into the EZ" ain't the same thing. "Deep into the EZ" = no return. A low line drive that barely breaches the goalline = a return and very possibly a big return

    A high hanging kick to the 10-15 yard line that's returned to the 40 yd. line = a return and a pretty big freaking return. I have faith in our coverage team to keep the big returns at bay, but damn would it be nice to put it in their endzone and make them make the decision to return it our not. I figure most of the time they wouldn't want to bring it out because of how vicious our coverage is to avoid mistakes and turnovers. if they do choose to bring it out, they are risking a big coverage play and getting pinned inside the 20. Most of the time a kick to the 10-15 yd line is getting returned past the 20 anyways.

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  • Sorry, when you have the option to have a high-trajectory coverage kick land at the goal line (or at least inside the 5) vs. that same kick landing between the 10 and the 15 you ALWAYS choose the former. Cade isn't putting the ball where he or Saban wants it. Period.

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  • isacc813 said...

    A high hanging kick to the 10-15 yard line that's returned to the 40 yd. line = a return and a pretty big freaking return. I have faith in our coverage team to keep the big returns at bay, but damn would it be nice to put it in their endzone and make them make the decision to return it our not. I figure most of the time they wouldn't want to bring it out because of how vicious our coverage is to avoid mistakes and turnovers. if they do choose to bring it out, they are risking a big coverage play and getting pinned inside the 20. Most of the time a kick to the 10-15 yd line is getting returned past the 20 anyways.

    I'm not disputing that. Cade made some bad kicks last week. I was disputing the comment that all kicks into the endzone are the same. They aren't. I'd love for Cade to put all his kicks thru the uprights. But if he is going to barely get it to the goalline, this isn't like high school. Those low kicks can and will be brought up with a full head of steam. Low line kicks, Even if they get to the goal line are not good kicks

    Bama_Lefty

  • bspit8 said...

    You realize you contradicted yourself? Either he doesn't have the leg to put it deep in the endzone or our scholarship kicker can kick it in the endzone. Which is it?

    BC has already manned up.

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  • bspit8 said...

    You realize you contradicted yourself? Either he doesn't have the leg to put it deep in the endzone or our scholarship kicker can kick it in the endzone. Which is it?

    You can call me stupid for being stubborn and flat wrong about what Saban was wanting to happen - but I never contradicted myself. lol

    I stated that he has the leg to get it TO the endzone, but not DEEP into the endzone. There is no contradiction there - although it appears that I was wrong in that assumption. Saban stated that he has the leg in practice, but it doesn't translate to the game.

    Bleedscrimson

  • Props for manning up and admitting you were wrong. That's not easy to do around here. What with the burning pitchforks and all...

    KingBammer

  • Can we all agree Foster doesn't have the leg to kick it to the middle of the endzone?

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