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  • What I want to see is the best Players hit the best shots-not a tv crew trying to resurrect a bad player. Golf is a game where you keep score, so when u have a score then you can be on TV!

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    Bob4166

  • Over the years it has become obvious that golf etiqette and sportsmanship were not very high on his priorty list. Most pro golfers arer true gentlemen. Not Tiger. The way the media follows his every move makes me want to puke. If he never wins another t'ment it will be too soon for me. All you Tiger lovers go ahead and pile on with downvotes, means nothing to me.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by stumpper on 4/7/2012 at 4:21 PM

    stumpper

  • I have been a huge tiger fan for a long time, I love golf and have played it for since I was 12. When Tiger was at his best he was better than Jack at his best, but seeing Tiger kick the club on the 16th yesterday was a poor show of sportsmanship. Tiger is not the only player who acts this way on the course nor is he the only one who act like a poor sport in the sports world.

    Tiger is a polarizing figure, some due to his success on the course which is what made him famous with golf fans, and some due to his off the course stuff that made him a known figure to those who could care less about golf. This is the reason he is shown and talked about when he is not in contention and even when he is not in the tourney at all. Tiger is golf. Until someone like Rory, who I really enjoy watching, starts winning a lot of majors, Tiger will remain to be talked about.

    Tiger's problem has become his over analyzation of his golf swing. He tries so hard to hit that over the top cut shot that he is unable to control his shot unless it is done perfect. Tiger stopped looking like playing was fun a long time ago.

    To those who think golf etiquette isnt high on tigers list dont follow golf a lot. It is not the highest thing on most PGA players list, It is winning those million dollar purses. Ever tourney I watch I see guys do the same thing Tiger does. Look at Stenson on day one on 18. All players have their moments, with cussing, slamming their club, or what not.

    Tiger is not the first golfer to cheat on his wife nor will he be the last. I am by no means trying to be a Tiger sympathizer, I thought his display the other day was very poor. Lets not kid ourselves though that Tiger is either hated or loved which leads to strong opinions like people not caring if he wins again or not. I will say it again Tiger is golf, look at the numbers when he is not in a tourney or in contention. Until someone starts winning like he did golf needs Tiger somewhat.

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    Cunni035

  • We all know TW gets a ton of attention whether he wins or losses. But everyone still has their own opinion. I think he's a bad person, I know about 4 guys that have had first hand experiences with him though The Golf Channel and they all think he's a douche...a major major Douche. Is he or was he great at golf? You bet! Does that give him a free pass to be a douchebag on every poor shot on the grounds at Augusta? No. Do I as a huge golf fan have to like him? No. Do I like him? Not in the least!
    Check these out from Friday's 2nd round.

    Tiger kicks club at 2012 Masters

    What a bi***h

    www.youtube.com

    Tiger cusses at Augusta again

    GD

    www.youtube.com

    "That's what people know us as..ya understand!"

    HeHateMe

  • He-Hate-Me said...

    We all know TW gets a ton of attention whether he wins or losses. But everyone still has their own opinion. I think he's a bad person, I know about 4 guys that have had first hand experiences with him though The Golf Channel and they all think he's a douche...a major major Douche. Is he or was he great at golf? You bet! Does that give him a free pass to be a douchebag on every poor shot on the grounds at Augusta? No. Do I as a huge golf fan have to like him? No. Do I like him? Not in the least! Check these out from Friday's 2nd round.

    He would prob hate you if he met u. Let it go.... Cmon man.

    haynes4bama

  • haynes4bama said...

    He would prob hate you if he met u. Let it go.... Cmon man.

    LOL, if he met me he'd hate me? Umm, ok.
    Let what go? I didnt start this thread.

    "That's what people know us as..ya understand!"

    HeHateMe

  • He apologized.

    rnbowen308

  • rnbowen308 said...

    He apologized.

    lol whatever you call it.

    This post was edited by HeHateMe on 4/7/2012 at 7:26 PM

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    HeHateMe

  • Look guys who cares if he cheated on his wife. If I jumped on my soapbox and preached about every person I have to do business with running around on their wives I would lose half my business.

    It's funny how the media and fans up here jump all over eli manning because he doesn't show any emotion when he throws a pick or goes 3 and out. Now people bitch when tiger kicks a club when he doesn't hit a good shot. So whitch is it emotion or no emotion ou want. Who cares if he over reacts.

    Does the media cover for him? Ha, that's funny cause all they did was report everything about his affairs and accident that November and have since then. So they don't cover up crap.

    Is he a dick, most likely.

    Is he good, yep.

    Do I care if he cheated on his wife or kicks a club - hail no

    GSay001

  • I think Tiger has a lot of character issues and I don't like the behavior that he displays in any tournament that he does not win. When you watch him in a golf tournament, he is the opposite of almost all other golfers. One thing that bothers me is that he never acknowledges the crowd at tournaments. The only thing he will ever do is slightly tip his cap which is extremely rare. Pay attention to all the other golfers on tv tomorrow and see how many give balls to people in the crowd, high 5 people, or anything else like this that your average person would do.... back to my point about Tiger. Golf is a gentleman's game and the throwing and kicking of golf clubs is not very gentleman like.

    Also I don't know if this has been posted about Tiger, but this is an interesting article about him which I believe shows the type of person that he is

    This post was edited by jmhurt on 4/7/2012 at 7:56 PM

    Rick Reilly: Tiger's brother - ESPN

    Rick Reilly updates the story of Tiger's Woods' half-siblings.

    espn.go.com

    jmhurt

  • jmhurt said...

    I think Tiger has a lot of character issues and I don't like the behavior that he displays in any tournament that he does not win. When you watch him in a golf tournament, he is the opposite of almost all other golfers. One thing that bothers me is that he never acknowledges the crowd at tournaments. The only thing he will ever do is slightly tip his cap which is extremely rare. Pay attention to all the other golfers on tv tomorrow and see how many give balls to people in the crowd, high 5 people, or anything else like this that your average person would do.

    Also I don't know if this has been posted about Tiger, but this is an interesting article about him which I believe shows the type of person that he is

    Just because you are financially successful doesn't mean you have to bail your family out every time they get into trouble.

    Besides we don't know the whole story here.

    GSay001

  • GSay001 said...

    Just because you are financially successful doesn't mean you have to bail your family out every time they get into trouble.

    Besides we don't know the whole story here.

    I'm not saying that he has to bail them out. I think he should communicate with them though. Maybe if he would have better contact with his family, some of his emotional and personal problems could be helped. His family is not bashing him, they just want to talk to him thats all.

    jmhurt

  • Be critical all you want.

    I was at Augusta today. Tiger had patrons lined up 5 to 7 deep the entire hole he was on. If you wanted to see him you had to go 2 holes ahead and wait.

    The only thing even close to Tiger's gallery was Bubba's.

    Phil's gallery got pretty big during his back 9 run but Tiger was playing bad and a huge gallery.

    Rory had no gallery. Even when he started no one was there. I could get 5 feet from Rory and Segio. I watched Rory warm up and the stands were empty. When Tiger was warming up it was packed.

    Its ridiculous how much more popular Tiger is than everyone else.

    scottchap

  • jmhurt said...

    I'm not saying that he has to bail them out. I think he should communicate with them though. Maybe if he would have better contact with his family, some of his emotional and personal problems could be helped. His family is not bashing him, they just want to talk to him thats all.

    They just want to talk?

    That's why they went public with it.

    GSay001

  • scottchap said...

    Be critical all you want.

    I was at Augusta today. Tiger had patrons lined up 5 to 7 deep the entire hole he was on. If you wanted to see him you had to go 2 holes ahead and wait.

    The only thing even close to Tiger's gallery was Bubba's.

    Phil's gallery got pretty big during his back 9 run but Tiger was playing bad and a huge gallery.

    Rory had no gallery. Even when he started no one was there. I could get 5 feet from Rory and Segio. I watched Rory warm up and the stands were empty. When Tiger was warming up it was packed.

    Its ridiculous how much more popular Tiger is than everyone else.

    Last sentence so true! No idiot in their right mind would even consider the argument that Tiger isn't popular. Everyone knows that he is. They all want to see him win. Not sure why, because he's an obvious douchebag. Not just because he cheated on his wife... But because its a fact, he's a douche lol! That doesnt mean I dont think he's one of the best golfers ever, because he is. It is very possible to be one of the greats ever AND be a douche. Some dont know how to separate the statements.

    "That's what people know us as..ya understand!"

    HeHateMe

  • scottchap said...

    Be critical all you want.

    I was at Augusta today. Tiger had patrons lined up 5 to 7 deep the entire hole he was on. If you wanted to see him you had to go 2 holes ahead and wait.

    The only thing even close to Tiger's gallery was Bubba's.

    Phil's gallery got pretty big during his back 9 run but Tiger was playing bad and a huge gallery.

    Rory had no gallery. Even when he started no one was there. I could get 5 feet from Rory and Segio. I watched Rory warm up and the stands were empty. When Tiger was warming up it was packed.

    Its ridiculous how much more popular Tiger is than everyone else.

    I agree with the last statement. He is popular for golf and non golf stuff that is why he has such a large following because some out there would rather see him hit a bad shot than see Rory or some of the other guys hit good shots. It kinda reminds me of some of the later years of Bobby Knight at Indiana. Some people just tuned in to see him explode when a call didnt go the way he liked it.

    If it was me there I would have watched Tiger on a hole or two but then I would be off to see guys like Rory, Phil, Bubba, Freddie, and other guys.

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    Cunni035

  • Cunni035 said...

    I agree with the last statement. He is popular for golf and non golf stuff that is why he has such a large following because some out there would rather see him hit a bad shot than see Rory or some of the other guys hit good shots. It kinda reminds me of some of the later years of Bobby Knight at Indiana. Some people just tuned in to see him explode when a call didnt go the way he liked it.

    If it was me there I would have watched Tiger on a hole or two but then I would be off to see guys like Rory, Phil, Bubba, Freddie, and other guys.

    If Bubba ever developes the ability to stay totally focused, he could be a huge crowd favorite as was John Daly. Nobody grips it and rips it now better than Bubba. He also hits some very creative shots (big draws, etc. and seems like a good guy. I also see Rory getting more and more popular. If he was an American, I think his following already would be a lot larger. Dustin Johnson needs to improve his short game and Rickie Fowler needs a big win, and they could gain a big following.

    I understand Tiger is popular and people like to watch him because he is dramatic. Tiger and Phil are probably the top two to display such flair and pull off amazing shots. I just wish Tiger could learn to handle himself with more class without compromising his game. If he was 22 or 23 I could be more tolerant of his behavior, but he is well into his 30's. He should have developed more control of his emotions by now. I think you can show emotion and be somewhat colorful on the course without resorting to the level of Tiger's on couse boorish behavior. Y.E. Yang says Tiger to this day has not congratulated him on his PGA win over Tiger. That is just common courtesy and there is no excuse for Tiger not to have done so at the time.

    The young will not remember it, but no one has ever been more popular or had a more loyal following that Arnold Palmer with "Arnie's Army". There have been stories that Arnie may have liked the ladies away from the course. I do not know if that is true or not and really do not care. However, he was always a perfect gentleman on the course and in all ways connected to golf.

    Crimson71

  • Arnold palmer was a womanizer. He wouldn't play in tournaments until they agreed to arrange for him to have women to entertain him at nights. Great guy, great golfer but he had his flaws too.

    scottchap

  • He-Hate-Me said...

    Last sentence so true! No idiot in their right mind would even consider the argument that Tiger isn't popular. Everyone knows that he is. They all want to see him win. Not sure why, because he's an obvious douchebag. Not just because he cheated on his wife... But because its a fact, he's a douche lol! That doesnt mean I dont think he's one of the best golfers ever, because he is. It is very possible to be one of the greats ever AND be a douche. Some dont know how to separate the statements.

    Jordan is a notorious douche too.

    I'm not arguing with you I'm just saying that a lot of these generational players have social skills issues. I don't know why but I'm sure there is at least one psych on here that can explain it to us.

    GSay001

  • scottchap said...

    Arnold palmer was a womanizer. He wouldn't play in tournaments until they agreed to arrange for him to have women to entertain him at nights. Great guy, great golfer but he had his flaws too.

    You serious Clark? I didn't know that, wow.

    Kind of goes back to my point earlier that almost half of marriages at some point have cheating. Which just by chance alone means that some of these same people that decry him because he slept around have not been faithful in their own relationships at times.

    At the same time most people in the golf reporting business will tell you he is kind of a douche. The best compliment I have heard someone that covers him say off the record is he is "complicated" so what ever that means.

    GSay001

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  • scottchap said...

    Arnold palmer was a womanizer. He wouldn't play in tournaments until they agreed to arrange for him to have women to entertain him at nights. Great guy, great golfer but he had his flaws too.

    Oh really? Proof/link or you just coming up with this to suit your point of view.

    stumpper

  • Crimson71 said...

    I don't like him as a person. I respect his golf ability as one of the top 3 or 4 players of all time, but I do not like or respect how he conducts himself as a person. Yes, other players have let an F bomb or two slip out. When is the last time you saw a professional, especially in a major, throw down his club and kick in 15 yards or so? Personally, I do not want to see professional golf go the way of tennis. We do not need John McEnroe behavior on the golf course. If If you can give me examples of other players throwing and/or kicking their golf clubs, then I stand corrected.

    There has already been a player snap his club head off in the dirt after a shot. Your double standard can't be a one way argument. Your bias is obvious...you don't like Tiger so you want them to speak poorly of his actions yet you conveniently forget that its not just him. As for our players, I'm sure there are PLENTY of curse words thrown during games, practice, etc... Bottom line is, the camera is not one on one up close with our players.

    This post was edited by rickh7311 on 4/8/2012 at 3:46 PM

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    rickh7311

  • No stummper and there is zero chance you find any writer who would talk about Arnie's past. The most you will find is vague statements about him having some indiscretions.

    If you want to not believe that's fine but its a fairly well known part of Arnie's past.

    You can google Arnold Palmer womanizer and actually find some articles that talk about him being a ladies man back in his day. They don't give details like we get on Woods.

    Also, not sure what argument this "suits" as I'm just providing some information. I don't care if you hate Tiger. Lots of people hate him.

    This post was edited by scottchap on 4/8/2012 at 4:58 PM

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