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Pass Rush Misconceptions

  • After watching the game, hearing coach last night, and reading the board, it's fairly obvious there are some that have real misconceptions regarding our defensive scheme.

    1. There's no DC that is going to blitz all the time with that QB and 4 or 5 wide.
    2. Johnny M is a faster Tim Tebow that is a much better passer than Timmy ever thought about being.
    3. Because they went 4 & 5 wide, they basically created one on one matchups with the exception of our deep safety. You can't run blitz packages often especially when the QB has the ability to not only find the open receiver, but the ability to outrun most everyone on your defense. Therefore...
    4. If anyone has watched Bama's gameplan before when playing a mobile QB, anyone would know that blitzing the QB is not the plan. You have to maintain the integrity of the pocket and hope to collapse it on the QB.
    5. When doing the above, you don't send 7 after the QB. Most of the night we went 4 DL vs 6 Blockers and changed it up wen we started sendin Mosely. Even then it was mostly 6 on 5...offense wins. Even if we had Clowney, he's not as disruptive a force in this game plan.

    I could go on...but it's over now. Gotta play next week.

    PS: poor tackling will get you beat no matter how good your scheme is.

    This post was edited by Jack Bauer24 on 11/11/2012 at 7:34 AM

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  • Agree with everything you said except about Clowney. Kid is the singular most disruptive defensive force I've seen in college football in 25 years. He has to be accounted for on every play and often with 2 lineman. I saw several plays where Hubbard or Square lost containment and didn't have the speed to catch Manziel. Clowney has the burst and explosiveness to make those plays.

    Again, I agree with most of your post but the faction of our fan-base that doesn't think Clowney would impact our defense....not sure if you guys don't know football, are homers, or sour because we didn't get Clowney. Kid is a freakin monster and you can count me as Bama fan that wishes we had that man-child on our d-line as he would have impacted the game yesterday.

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  • Jack Bauer24 said...

    After watching the game, hearing coach last night, and reading the board, it's fairly obvious there are some that have real misconceptions regarding our defensive scheme.

    1. There's no DC that is going to blitz all the time with that QB and 4 or 5 wide. 2. Johnny M is a faster Tim Tebow that is a much better passer than Timmy ever thought about being. 3. Because they went 4 & 5 wide, they basically created one on one matchups with the exception of our deep safety. You can't run blitz packages often especially when the QB has the ability to not only find the open receiver, but the ability to outrun most everyone on your defense. Therefore... 4. If anyone has watched Bama's gameplan before when playing a mobile QB, anyone would know that blitzing the QB is not the plan. You have to maintain the integrity of the pocket and hope to collapse it on the QB. 5. When doing the above, you don't send 7 after the QB. Most of the night we went 4 DL vs 6 Blockers and changed it up wen we started sendin Mosely. Even then it was mostly 6 on 5...offense wins. Even if we had Clowney, he's not as disruptive a force in this game plan.

    I could go on...but it's over now. Gotta play next week.

    PS: poor tackling will get you beat no matter how good your scheme is.

    EVERY armchair head coach should read this ^^^ before they give us their spiel on how they would have better defended aTm's O better than Saban/Smart.

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Agree with everything you said except about Clowney. Kid is the singular most disruptive defensive force I've seen in college football in 25 years. He has to be accounted for on every play and often with 2 lineman. I saw several plays where Hubbard or Square lost containment and didn't have the speed to catch Manziel. Clowney has the burst and explosiveness to make those plays.

    Again, I agree with most of your post but the faction of our fan-base that doesn't think Clowney would impact our defense....not sure if you guys don't know football, are homers, or sour because we didn't get Clowney. Kid is a freakin monster and you can count me as Bama fan that wishes we had that man-child on our d-line as he would have impacted the game yesterday.

    Agree Narrion, Clowney would have made our D instantly better. The kid is a player in the Derrick Thomas mold, you have to know where he is at all times.

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  • Jack Bauer24 said...

    After watching the game, hearing coach last night, and reading the board, it's fairly obvious there are some that have real misconceptions regarding our defensive scheme.

    1. There's no DC that is going to blitz all the time with that QB and 4 or 5 wide. 2. Johnny M is a faster Tim Tebow that is a much better passer than Timmy ever thought about being. 3. Because they went 4 & 5 wide, they basically created one on one matchups with the exception of our deep safety. You can't run blitz packages often especially when the QB has the ability to not only find the open receiver, but the ability to outrun most everyone on your defense. Therefore... 4. If anyone has watched Bama's gameplan before when playing a mobile QB, anyone would know that blitzing the QB is not the plan. You have to maintain the integrity of the pocket and hope to collapse it on the QB. 5. When doing the above, you don't send 7 after the QB. Most of the night we went 4 DL vs 6 Blockers and changed it up wen we started sendin Mosely. Even then it was mostly 6 on 5...offense wins. Even if we had Clowney, he's not as disruptive a force in this game plan.

    I could go on...but it's over now. Gotta play next week.

    PS: poor tackling will get you beat no matter how good your scheme is.

    Agree with all of the above...and add that aTm has the two best OTs in the country. Makes collapsing the pocket even more difficult,

    airharper

  • Many of us aren't upset at the lack of blitzing....it's obvious you don't blitz a guy like that. What's upsetting is how qbs have had all day the past two weeks due to poor pressure by the d front. We really need a dominant pass rusher.

    RWarren11

  • Not taking last nigh into account we are missing that pass rush guy. A guy like Upshaw can help the guys on the back end.

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  • RWarren11 said...

    Many of us aren't upset at the lack of blitzing....it's obvious you don't blitz a guy like that. What's upsetting is how qbs have had all day the past two weeks due to poor pressure by the d front. We really need a dominant pass rusher.

    I was actually upset we blitzed so much. That 50 yard run JM had in the first half on third down was a killer. The send trips deep and we bring a far side blitz and he goes for 50 yards untouched. He knew what was going to happen when he snapped the ball and That was huge game changing play.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by manbearpig7 on 11/11/2012 at 8:41 AM

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Agree with everything you said except about Clowney. Kid is the singular most disruptive defensive force I've seen in college football in 25 years. He has to be accounted for on every play and often with 2 lineman. I saw several plays where Hubbard or Square lost containment and didn't have the speed to catch Manziel. Clowney has the burst and explosiveness to make those plays.

    Again, I agree with most of your post but the faction of our fan-base that doesn't think Clowney would impact our defense....not sure if you guys don't know football, are homers, or sour because we didn't get Clowney. Kid is a freakin monster and you can count me as Bama fan that wishes we had that man-child on our d-line as he would have impacted the game yesterday.

    Hey listen...Clowney is definitely a difference maker and an elite pass rusher and I would be an idiot to say I wouldn't want him. However, in the CNS gameplan against TAMU...he would not send Clowney after him as often due to JM's mobility. Often when Clowney pass rushes, it is a one shot deal and he tends to get out of position and lose his rush lanes which lead to open running lanes for a QB. It's a trade off you have to manage. That's all I was saying with Clowney.

    Jack Bauer24

  • It's more about having a dlineman that gets the QB out of rhythm more than sacking him everytime. Yes, it's obvious that our secondary has some glaring weaknesses, but ANY secondary will have a hard time covering WR's for an entire game when the QB can stand back there and eat lunch. That's what Mettenberger and Manziel were able to do all game.

    RWarren11

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