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  • I am by no means an insider or anything but I have heard several people saying to watch out for Maryland in this whole deal. Average football program, great academic university, and great bball program. They have recently renovated their stadium and are trying to get real serious about football plus there is the DC market! I don't VT is interested in joining personally. I'm not sure OU isn't going to just hang with Texas and possibly joing a PAC10 expansion down the road.

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  • ricksaban said...

    If expansion is indeed inevitable, which it probably is, I'd like to see A&M, OU, OSU, and VT or MD. Aggies, Sooners, and Cowboys to the West. Hokies/Terps to the East. To even the divisions, send *U to the east and put them on a rotating schedule with us.

    No way I would all of those three in the west...absolutely brutal..I agree with expanding, and adding a powerhouse, but I wouldn't want to add ALL really good teams..We would be unnecessarily punishing ourselves

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  • iCapstone said...

    HT, for the life of me, I can't see what sort of bump in TV revenue the addition of FSU would represent, if they were interested in joining our league.

    You think ESPN wouldn't love to show the nation Bama FSU? LSU FSU? FSU -UF every year, etc.

    Great matchups bringing in ratings for ESPN means even better TV contract with them and CBS. It can't be all about adding TV sets to watch regional crap games with the likes of Maryland or Missouri. ESPN, CBS probably wouldnt think that is near as attractive. JMO.

    Also, with the talk being about 16 team conferences do you want to add mediocre football programs to round out the SEC and water down the product? This gives leagues like the Big 10, PAC 12 etc to grab top notch programs and take over as the nation's premier conference. Now they are getting better TV contracts.

    To me it should be and is about the product you put on the field week to week.

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  • Why don't quit playing around and just get 38 other teams to break away from the NCAA and just start our own shindig. Our champion will play the NCAA champion in a fight to the death/football game for all the marbles.

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  • Ga Tech makes absolutely no sense. The Atlanta / Georgia market is wide open to the SEC. Bringing in GA Tech would accomplish nothing revenue wise.

    Maryland, however, makes a great deal of sense. So does Mizzou / Oklahoma / Okie State.

    bamazsmith

  • Thehit86 said...

    You think ESPN wouldn't love to show the nation Bama FSU? LSU FSU? FSU -UF every year, etc.

    Great matchups bringing in ratings for ESPN means even better TV contract with them and CBS. It can't be all about adding TV sets to watch regional crap games with the likes of Maryland or Missouri. ESPN, CBS probably wouldnt think that is near as attractive. JMO.

    Also, with the talk being about 16 team conferences do you want to add mediocre football programs to round out the SEC and water down the product? This gives leagues like the Big 10, PAC 12 etc to grab top notch programs and take over as the nation's premier conference. Now they are getting better TV contracts.

    To me it should be and is about the product you put on the field week to week.

    I think those games would be great to watch - no question about it. However, according to what I've learned, those match-ups don't bring any more money into a TV contract, because it doesn't bring in any new TV markets into the league. Not a single one. And, that's the only aspect that enhances a TV contract. If the respective SEC schools can't net-out MORE revenue after the splits, forget it. No SEC university president is going to be willing to take less money each year so FSU can play the SEC, each Saturday. It's not going to happen.

    This post was edited by zigzag on 8/11/2011 at 5:06 PM

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  • iCapstone said...

    I think those games would be great to watch - no question about it. However, according to what I've learned, those match-ups don't bring any more money into a TV contract, because it doesn't bring in any new TV markets into the league. Not a single one. And, that's what the only aspect that enhances a TV contract. If the respective SEC schools can't net-out MORE revenue after the splits, forget it. No SEC university president is going to be willing to take less money each year so FSU can play the SEC, each Saturday. It's not going to happen.

    This makes little sense logically speaking to me because the SEC now doesn't have great TV markets. What we have is a great product on the field that brings in TV sets nationwide. When SEC football is on TV people watch. To me, yea adding Missouri brings in St Louis but bringing in Oklahoma gives you that state plus a lot more TV sets on average nationally. JMO. That's the way i look at it.

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  • Please just add 2 quality teams and stop at 14.

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  • Thehit86 said...

    This makes little sense logically speaking to me because the SEC now doesn't have great TV markets. What we have is a great product on the field that brings in TV sets nationwide. When SEC football is on TV people watch. To me, yea adding Missouri brings in St Louis but bringing in Oklahoma gives you that state plus a lot more TV sets on average nationally. JMO. That's the way i look at it.

    I mean no offense to you, but if you don't already know, college football is in the TV business. If not for TV revenue, most football programs would be upside-down, financially speaking. The deal the SEC did with ESPN in 2008 was worth 2.25 BILLION. So, apparently, ESPN thinks the SEC TV markets are great. FWIW, it's my understanding that the Birmingham college football TV market may be one of the biggest in the country. If that doesn't appear logical to you, do some research.

    zigzag

  • It appears that OU having to be tied to OSU means the SEC will likely make a hard run at VT. They are split on what they want to do I have heard. If not them then Maryland is the next team in line. They would open up a whole new venue TV market wise. Beyond them look for one surprising name to come into focus. TCU. Its in a top 5 market and gives A&M a major partner. They have shown the propencity to jump leagues and are well funded. Thats just what my inside guy at OU is saying is going on behind the scenes.

    helenatider

  • Thehit86 said...

    This makes little sense logically speaking to me because the SEC now doesn't have great TV markets. What we have is a great product on the field that brings in TV sets nationwide. When SEC football is on TV people watch. To me, yea adding Missouri brings in St Louis but bringing in Oklahoma gives you that state plus a lot more TV sets on average nationally. JMO. That's the way i look at it.

    I see what you are saying. but I believe we do not have the best TV deal anymore. These guys in charge know that only new big markets will bring in more money. FSU and GT will bring the same action basically in the same markets, therefore not viable options for this expansion. A&M and Mizzou or Maryland or VT means large markets and large money.

    bhamdave

  • bhamdave said...

    I see what you are saying. but I believe we do not have the best TV deal anymore. These guys in charge know that only new big markets will bring in more money. FSU and GT will bring the same action basically in the same markets, therefore not viable options for this expansion. A&M and Mizzou or Maryland or VT means large markets and large money.

    We could go back and renegotiate our TV deal right now IMO. We just happened to sign ours before the PAC12 or whoever signed theirs. Logically speaking if it were all about markets then the ACC would dominate us in TV revenue. I know its a combo of product on the field plus TV markets but IMO the #1 factor better be product on the field or in the long run the SEC will pay for it. JMO.

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  • Thehit86 said...

    We could go back and renegotiate our TV deal right now IMO. We just happened to sign ours before the PAC12 or whoever signed theirs. Logically speaking if it were all about markets then the ACC would dominate us in TV revenue. I know its a combo of product on the field plus TV markets but IMO the #1 factor better be product on the field or in the long run the SEC will pay for it. JMO.

    The ACC does kick our tail in Basketball TV contracts. Football in the SEC is king. Basketball is king in the ACC. The product will not be worse if A&M and MIZZ, etc join the conference. The schools added will be legit schools with a "name" and a TV market to boot. The "name" schools bring followers and a little sizzle along with their markets.

    The biggest point I make to you is this, people with a lot more savvy in this kind of stuff are doing this and have weighed all the possibilities and what is going to make the conference and each team more money.

    What you and I like as fans is not going to matter in their minds, because it is not ALL about competition.

    This post was edited by bhamdave on 8/11/2011 at 5:46 PM

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  • bhamdave said...

    The ACC does kick our tail in Basketball TV contracts. Football in the SEC is king. Basketball is king in the ACC. The product will not be worse if A&M and MIZZ, etc join the conference. The schools added will be legit schools with a "name" and a TV market to boot. The "name" schools bring followers and a little sizzle along with their markets.

    The biggest point I make to you is this, people with a lot more savvy in this kind of stuff are doing this and have weighed all the possibilities and what is going to make the conference and each team more money.

    What you and I like as fans is not going to matter in their minds, because it is not ALL about competition.

    I agree about people making the decisions are a lot more savvy than myself haha. We will see which direction they go. TAMU to me is a solid choice. Good not great football school and a huge TV market. Missouri? They historically are a terrible program. not sure they will continue their success in the SEC or if current coach leaves. Mizz makes sense but IMO if other schools are willing they make a lot more sense. I guess it depends on who is willing to join. haha.

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  • BattlestarTide said...

    This is bad news for us from a football perspective if the other conferences don't follow suit.

    Going undefeated against VaTech, FSU, OU, OSU, USCe, Arky, LSU, MSU, UF all in the same season is ridiciously hard to do. Easily an SEC Championship winner would have two losses. If Boise State, Texas, Oregon are all undefeated at the end of the year, who gets the shot to play for the national championship game? My guess is that the SEC championship winner would get snubbed for a Texas vs. Oregon matchup.

    Completely agreed. Even if a superconference is inevitable, we'll somehow create the hardest one to get through. Heck, even if we add 2-4 average teams, our core group is still more difficult than any conference out there. The Big 12 will go out and pick up some crap teams, as will everyone else, and all we've done is make it more difficult for our teams to go undefeated or even w/ 1 loss... and the way things are going, the voters love a win against UNLV more than they do a 1 point loss against LSU.

    VegasTide

  • Thehit86 said...

    I agree about people making the decisions are a lot more savvy than myself haha. We will see which direction they go. TAMU to me is a solid choice. Good not great football school and a huge TV market. Missouri? They historically are a terrible program. not sure they will continue their success in the SEC or if current coach leaves. Mizz makes sense but IMO if other schools are willing they make a lot more sense. I guess it depends on who is willing to join. haha.

    Well Mizz is 20-8-1 all time versus sec. They have been down but in the 60's they were as good as it gets. Plus OU, TX, and Neb have been pretty good the last 20 years which would be 3 losses automatically for most programs. All around their sports are better than average.

    R0LLTIDE

  • It will be about money and opening new recruiting avenues.

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  • jordang121 said...

    I was thinking expansion would emphasize the need for a playoff system. If there were four 16 team power conferences it would seem to me that undefeated teams would become a thing of the past and it will be harder and harder to differentiate between the four teams that come out on top of their respective 16 team conference gauntlet.

    Seems like a playoff system with the 4 conference winners plus maybe 2 wild cards for mid majors and other deserving teams would solve that problem.

    This. It just seems so obvious.

    tsomerv

  • BattlestarTide said...
    This is bad news for us from a football perspective if the other conferences don't follow suit.
    Going undefeated against VaTech, FSU, OU, OSU, USCe, Arky, LSU, MSU, UF all in the same season is ridiciously hard to do. Easily an SEC Championship winner would have two losses. If Boise State, Texas, Oregon are all undefeated at the end of the year, who gets the shot to play for the national championship game? My guess is that the SEC championship winner would get snubbed for a Texas vs. Oregon matchup.

    VegasTide said...
    Completely agreed. Even if a superconference is inevitable, we'll somehow create the hardest one to get through. Heck, even if we add 2-4 average teams, our core group is still more difficult than any conference out there. The Big 12 will go out and pick up some crap teams, as will everyone else, and all we've done is make it more difficult for our teams to go undefeated or even w/ 1 loss... and the way things are going, the voters love a win against UNLV more than they do a 1 point loss against LSU.

    ^^^ How are more people not concerned about this? Everyone seems so enamored with increasing the SEC TV footprint / revenue when all I really care about is winning football games. We have 6 preseason top 25 teams on our schedule this year while teams like VT have zero. Why would we want to make winning championships any harder than it already is? I'm not quite sold on the recruiting pipeline either. It seems to me that aTm stands to gain a lot more from a recruiting standpoint by joining the SEC than any current SEC school would gain from having a greater TV presence in Texas.

    whip136

  • helenatider said...

    Right now the SEC is trying to find a viable partner for Texas A&M to even up the conference. At this point the talk is only of picking up A&M and one other team. FSU has no interest as they want to stay in a conference where they are the football power. Mizzou is begging to be the partner with A&M. OU would like to but they would have to pull OSU with them. Its all about money and TV sets. A&M has the money. Right now the SEC is looking for a team to open up the DC/East market that would fit in the SEC one guess who their taget is. Talk of this has picked up because of the meetings going on behind the scenes in Indiana. Conference commishioners are trying to stake their claim to regions when the oncoming super conferences come to pass which is coming sooner rather than later. 14 is the magic number for the SEC and I was told we could know offically that A&M is in the SEC by mid september if they can get a partner.

    mizzou or maryland...

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