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Stat for the Grant haters....

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  • Let me first say i'm not a big bball fan. Having said that, I was traveling in my car and happened to pick up the game with Bama up 17 late first half. I needed to run in Lowes and pick up some things and just remember saying to myself as I got out of the car that it doesn't matter the big lead because it's bball and the other team will chip away at the lead and we will win or lose by a couple at the end. Spent some time shopping and when I turn the radio back on we win with last second shot. I know my attitude toward this sport will garner a few down votes but just had to share my thoughts. Can't wait for football!

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  • BetterOff said...

    20 wins is meaningless these days. Pointless stat, IMO.

    In CWS's 20 win seasons, he won 3 SEC tournaments. In CAG's, he's won 1 game in the SEC tournament.

    20 wins nowadays is like 25 wins in yesteryear. College Bball changed forever in 1995 and hasnt been the same since. You simply cannot compare eras anymore. I was in school during those years (1990-92) and CC absolutely rocked for conference games. You want to know why? Not just because we won 20 games each season but because the league had players like Shaq, Jamal Mashburn, Chris Jackson, Allen Houston, Robert Horry, Todd Day, Oliver Miller, Latrell Sprewell and a host of other players that a few years later didnt have to bother with going to college. 20 wins back then was pretty much a guaranteed invite to the NCAA Tourney. And here are some of the other players that played College Bbal back then...Christian Laettner, Grant Hill, Jalen Rose, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Larry Johnson, Stacey Augmon, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo, Penny Hardaway, Nick Van Exel....I could go on and on...howabout these names from one or two years later in the class of '93 & '94...Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Jason Kidd, Glenn Robinson, Ray Allen, Allen Iverson..you get the point. David Stern has robbed us all of one of the greatest sports there ever was and if they dont make rule changes that favor College Bball then it will be a distant memory.

    Gottaluvthetide

  • EDJR30 said...

    Next year, when he's being courted by major programs, Bama fans will expect him to stay. I expect him to get the hell out of T'town on the first trip he can get. Alabama basketball fans are more delusional than Alabama football fans. After 3 twenty win seasons in a row, at a middle of the road B'ball program, why in the hell would any coach put up with what coach Grant is hearing from the Bama community?

    Let's do what UAB did. Lets fire a coach thats winning, hire a coach that will go 15-15 and then convince ourselves that we are better off because the new coach is bringing more energy to the program after he loses half his games. All while watching the coach we fired, win a conference championship at his new job.

    I would agree if I thought the naysayers were being heard, but I know that CAG feels the support from the ones that matter. I don't think he is the least bit concerned about what a few uninformed posters say. As long as he has Mal and others behind him, he will stay. He has had some bad bounces, with lost recruits and a couple who did not buy in, but he is building a foundation that he can win with. I also do not see Coach Grant as one who wants to leave something unfinished. The more critics he has, I think only strengthens his resolve.

    Your point regarding UAB was excellent!

    UACarpeDiem

  • EDJR30 said...

    Next year, when he's being courted by major programs,

    roflmaoroflmao

    Yep, poor roster management, takes 5 years to win a NCAA game (assumming Grant does that next year), a HC that doesn't do PR promotion work for a program, 4 straight years of bball offensive ppg decreasing. That so screams that a major program will want Grant.

    I've said it before and I will say it again, Alabama will be the best program Grant ever gets to lead as a HC.

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  • BetterOff said...

    20 wins is meaningless these days. Pointless stat, IMO.

    In CWS's 20 win seasons, he won 3 SEC tournaments. In CAG's, he's won 1 game in the SEC tournament.

    20 wins in not meaningless. What if he was 10-20? Would that be meaningless. Of course not. He would be gone. So, 20 wins is very meaningful and he can carry that on his resume easily to a better job than Alabama BB. You CAG haters need to get real. He is a very good coach IMO.

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  • lilslym said...

    20 wins and still facing a challenge to make the NCAA tourney. That stat means nothing to me, the team is not coached well.......

    Especially on the offensive end of the court!! We need more shooters and movement.

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  • ce1976 said...

    Mike Davis fired himself. You can not make the comments he made and act the way he did at UAB and not expect to get fired. Also, Mike can be a bit of a scumbucket. He was recruiting Alabama's players throughout his tenure at UAB among other things. Also, Mike Davis gutted the program so Haase is playing with a bunch of misfit toys. Also, Haase is doing at UAB exactly what you want Grant to do at Alabama, playing an exciting brand of basketball and he is selling his program. UAB is absolutely better off that they let Mike Davis go, 15 wins and all.

    Also, Grant should expect criticism when he is making 2 million per year. He is a big boy, he can take it. He isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Next year he will have a better season because of inside depth and perimeter talent. There will be no built in excuses as next season he will have a full compliment of players, juniors and seniors throughout the program, a senior point guard, and depth in the paint. He needs to be in the top 25 throughout the year, in the top 3 of the SEC, and comfortably in the tournament. Otherwise, be needs to be on the hot seat.

    I know Mike Davis and his family personally. He is nowhere NEAR a "scumbucket"! Nice family that has endured a lot of tragedy in recent years. Don't make judgments based on rumor.

    JWN22

  • JWN22 said...

    I know Mike Davis and his family personally. He is nowhere NEAR a "scumbucket"! Nice family that has endured a lot of tragedy in recent years. Don't make judgments based on rumor.

    Well I don't know Mike Davis personally, but I did listen to him as a speaker at the Birmingham Tip-Off club the year we had fired Gottfried, but hadn't hired anyone yet. UAB's athletic director, a childhood friend of Mike, introduced him before Mike's speech. Mike speech basically was a sell job on wanting the Bama job, Mike even suggested what salary he would need to come to Tuscaloosa. He did that all while his athletic director and friend was sitting next to the podium Mike was speaking from, most of us were shocked by what Mike was doing. Afterwards as we were all leaving the building all I heard constantly from Alabama boosters that were walking around me that there was not way in H*ll Mike Davis would ever be our Head Coach at Alabama.

    Now maybe that day was just an isolated scumbag incident in Mike Davis's life, but I have never forgot it and it has forever tainted my opinion of Mike Davis as a man.

    FYIW, while I am a Bama fan, I am a UAB alum. I am glad that Mike Davis is not longer HC at UAB. He couldn't recruit high school talent at all, and was constantly stealing other teams players and getting them to transfer. Also, Mike didn't care one once about if his players got a degree, the players grades at UAB were beyond awful and the classwork player support system at UAB was a joke while he was there.

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  • LICBamafan said...

    Some of you do make very good points regarding your disdain for CAG but I think you will all find this interesting. CAG has now led Bama to its first back to back to back 20 win seasons since 1990-92, the Wimp years.

    Whoever provided you with this stat was incorrect. CMG went 20-13 in the 2003-04 season, the year UA made it to the Elite 8. The next year UA went 24-8, winning the SEC West.

    rk12

  • JWN22 said...

    I know Mike Davis and his family personally. He is nowhere NEAR a "scumbucket"! Nice family that has endured a lot of tragedy in recent years. Don't make judgments based on rumor.

    I'm not making judgements based on rumors.

    ce1976

  • robert1975 said...

    Well I don't know Mike Davis personally, but I did listen to him as a speaker at the Birmingham Tip-Off club the year we had fired Gottfried, but hadn't hired anyone yet. UAB's athletic director, a childhood friend of Mike, introduced him before Mike's speech. Mike speech basically was a sell job on wanting the Bama job, Mike even suggested what salary he would need to come to Tuscaloosa. He did that all while his athletic director and friend was sitting next to the podium Mike was speaking from, most of us were shocked by what Mike was doing. Afterwards as we were all leaving the building all I heard constantly from Alabama boosters that were walking around me that there was not way in H*ll Mike Davis would ever be our Head Coach at Alabama.

    Now maybe that day was just an isolated scumbag incident in Mike Davis's life, but I have never forgot it and it has forever tainted my opinion of Mike Davis as a man.

    FYIW, while I am a Bama fan, I am a UAB alum. I am glad that Mike Davis is not longer HC at UAB. He couldn't recruit high school talent at all, and was constantly stealing other teams players and getting them to transfer. Also, Mike didn't care one once about if his players got a degree, the players grades at UAB were beyond awful and the classwork player support system at UAB was a joke while he was there.

    You have hit the nail on the head man. He used to target guys on our team that weren't playing a lot of minutes and burn up their phones. He would trash Alabama and Coach Gotffried. Then, after they fired Gottfried, he did the exact same thing to Grant. Remember the Justin Knox situation? One player from the Gottfried era used to joke about how much he called.

    He was also notorious for bashing the UAB program and administration. It just didn't make sense. Maybe he was not a scumbucket personally but when it involved college basketball recruiting, representing his school with class, and making sure that his players were accountable, rules were only a suggested course of action for him. Like I said, UAB is absolutely better off without him.

    ce1976

  • EDJR30 said...

    Next year, when he's being courted by major programs,

    Needed a good laugh today. Thanks.

    meekmeister

  • Yea really define "major" program ED

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  • bamamba1989 said...

    20 wins in not meaningless. What if he was 10-20? Would that be meaningless. Of course not. He would be gone. So, 20 wins is very meaningful and he can carry that on his resume easily to a better job than Alabama BB. You CAG haters need to get real. He is a very good coach IMO.

    If you aren't in the tournament, the number of wins is meaningless, IMO.

    20, 10, 5, or however many wins we have don't mean a thing unless you make the field.

    I can tell you that I am very comfortable at the moment in not worrying about losing Grant to any kind of program in basketball.

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