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Frozenropes said...
Like others have said, this is a HUGE stretch.
They're still gonna win at least 10 games with Manziel @ QB.
W - RICE
W - SAM HOUSTON STATE
?? - ALABAMA
W - SMU
W - at Arkansas
W - at Mississippi
W - AUBURN
W - VANDERBILT
W - UTEP
W - MISSISSIPPI STATE
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Frozenropes said...
Like others have said, this is a HUGE stretch.
They're still gonna win at least 10 games with Manziel @ QB.
W - RICE W - SAM HOUSTON STATE ?? - ALABAMA W - SMU W - at Arkansas W - at Mississippi W - AUBURN W - VANDERBILT W - UTEP W - MISSISSIPPI STATE ?? - at Louisiana State W - at Missouri
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Their schedule is almost embarrassingly easy except for our game. What I think is that they take a huge step back in talent next year (similar to the losses AU had in 2010 but return their QB), but these are partially masked with the schedule. You have them possibly losing two out of the three I picked.
Despite how down the rest of the west will be, I feel pretty good about them dropping one more game with them going TO Fayetteville, TO Oxford, and then Auburn and State at home. They just don't have the talent on that team YET to reload like that.
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faceman237 said...
This is true, and to be clear I think that they would be like AU returning cam in 2011. They would still have lost most of the games they lost in 2011.
Remember also that Manziel will have an entire off-season of people putting him on a pedestal, see how it affects his preparation.
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I have thought for some time that A&M will have the same dropoff that auburn did after winning the BCSNC in 2010. I compared the two teams players lost and recent recruiting record and come up with the following:
2011 AUBURN returning starters: 7 total (3 offense, 4 defense), 120th (last) in CFB, last in SEC
Previous recruiting rankings
2011 #10
2010 #6
2009 #23
2008 #20
2007 #9
Average recruiting class: Ranked #13.6Auburn Loses 24 seniors, additional 3 juniors declared for draft
Auburn 2011 record 8-5 (with two extremely fortunate victories with Utah State and Miss State)2013 TAMU returning starters: 10 total (6 offense, 4 defense), tied for 112th, last in SEC
Previous recruiting rankings
2013 #10
2012 #14
2011 #33
2010 #20
2009 #28
Average recruiting class: Ranked #21TAMU loses 20 seniors, including 3 declared to draft
In addition, consider the importance of the players lost by TAMU this past season
(Props to huskypup for posting this)
Leading scorer at RB Christine Michael
Leading scorer at WR in Ryan Swope
More than 50% of WR scoring from last year(4 of top 5 starters)
Likely #1 OT in the draft
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th leading tacklers (7 of top 10)
Top 5 leaders in Sacks
Top 4 leaders in Tackles for loss
Also lost starting centerSo in summary, Auburn lost a few more seniors/starters, but had been recruiting better. I believe sumlin is a better coach than chiznik, but lets be honest here- they both caught lightning in a bottle (cam, manziel) and benefited massively as a result. Sumlin made a living off of being decent in Conference USA and had one good year before jumping to TAMU.
A&M has a joke of a schedule (7 guaranteed wins) and will drum the cream puffs on their schedule. But in the end, I see them losing to us, one of the Mississippi schools, and one between Arky, LSU, and Auburn (LSU game is late enough I think Miles has them playing well enough to win).
Texas A&M has had one magical year after decades of being mediocre. They cannot completely turn that around after one season. I think are not the juggernaut they have been made out to be.
What do you think?
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faceman237 said...
I have thought for some time that A&M will have the same dropoff that auburn did after winning the BCSNC in 2010. I compared the two teams players lost and recent recruiting record and come up with the following:
2011 AUBURN returning starters: 7 total (3 offense, 4 defense), 120th (last) in CFB, last in SEC Previous recruiting rankings 2011 #10 2010 #6 2009 #23 2008 #20 2007 #9 Average recruiting class: Ranked #13.6
Auburn Loses 24 seniors, additional 3 juniors declared for draft Auburn 2011 record 8-5 (with two extremely fortunate victories with Utah State and Miss State)
2013 TAMU returning starters: 10 total (6 offense, 4 defense), tied for 112th, last in SEC Previous recruiting rankings 2013 #10 2012 #14 2011 #33 2010 #20 2009 #28 Average recruiting class: Ranked #21
TAMU loses 20 seniors, including 3 declared to draft
In addition, consider the importance of the players lost by TAMU this past season (Props to huskypup for posting this) Leading scorer at RB Christine Michael Leading scorer at WR in Ryan Swope More than 50% of WR scoring from last year(4 of top 5 starters) Likely #1 OT in the draft 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th leading tacklers (7 of top 10) Top 5 leaders in Sacks Top 4 leaders in Tackles for loss Also lost starting center
So in summary, Auburn lost a few more seniors/starters, but had been recruiting better. I believe sumlin is a better coach than chiznik, but lets be honest here- they both caught lightning in a bottle (cam, manziel) and benefited massively as a result. Sumlin made a living off of being decent in Conference USA and had one good year before jumping to TAMU.
A&M has a joke of a schedule (7 guaranteed wins) and will drum the cream puffs on their schedule. But in the end, I see them losing to us, one of the Mississippi schools, and one between Arky, LSU, and Auburn (LSU game is late enough I think Miles has them playing well enough to win).
Texas A&M has had one magical year after decades of being mediocre. They cannot completely turn that around after one season. I think are not the juggernaut they have been made out to be.
What do you think?
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Frozenropes said...
Like others have said, this is a HUGE stretch.
They're still gonna win at least 10 games with Manziel @ QB.
W - RICE W - SAM HOUSTON STATE ?? - ALABAMA W - SMU W - at Arkansas W - at Mississippi W - AUBURN W - VANDERBILT W - UTEP W - MISSISSIPPI STATE ?? - at Louisiana State W - at Missouri
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Huskypup said...
Ole miss repea was to make 14 teams work.
Few things to note: -Both myself and the OP are arguing that theyre "just" an 8 or 9 win team, not that they will be awful. The OP said as much in his first post. -No one is arguing that the offense will be bad. we're just arguing it might be slightly worse or about the same. -This is important because we ARE arguing that the defense will be much worse. The offense can improve and they still be a notably worse team. -Intangibles and whatnot may or not be there, but the idea was to examine their team focusing on tangible changes.
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