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The Alabama Legislature has voted to ban texting while driving

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    I don't text while I drive anyway, but I do frequently text while stopped.

    I shouldn't get a ticket for texting while stopped at a light or at a train stop.

    Unless that texting causes you to stay idle after the light as turned green, in which case I will be yelling at you from my car because I need to be somewhere and will be cheering when that cop gives you a ticket

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  • I hope the state does a better job of enforcement than what goes on here (Louisiana). Louisiana recently passed a law banning texting while driving as a secondary offense (had to have committed some other unlawful act in order to be ticketed for texting). A few months later, this was pushed to a primary offense, meaning the mere act of texting while driving shall result in a ticket. As recently as this week, I drove along side a teenager, likely with little driving experience, texting away on a stretch of I-20 in morning traffic. The police officer to her immediate left traveling in the same direction did nothing. Because of her distraction and resulting speed fluctuations, I maintained speed and went around, only to notice the cop was texting away himself. I easily see a dozen people texting away during my daily commute.

    Frankly, a ban on texting while driving is short changing the overall big picture of safety. If safety is truly the issue, bans on making non-hands-free phone calls, eating, radio manipulation, sorting through CDs, applying makeup, etc. must also be enforced. Otherwise, it is hard to see this as a law purely based on safety. It all comes down to being a distracted driver. And, while most of us think we can multitask quite well while driving, that just isn't the case for the vast majority of people, despite the type of distraction or mitigating features (hands free calling) used. A few tests have shown that hands free calls are not quite as dangerous as making a call without a hands free system, but it is still more dangerous than no call at all.

    So, while I applaud the effort, I can't help but think it is flawed logic with more to be done.

    This post has been edited 5 times, most recently by BamaXRay on 4/27/2012 at 10:08 AM

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  • bcal16 said...

    Unless that texting causes you to stay idle after the light as turned green, in which case I will be yelling at you from my car because I need to be somewhere and will be cheering when that cop gives you a ticket

    (g)

    Hey if I get a ticket for not going while the light is green, fine.

    But if I get a ticket for texting at a stop light then I'll go nuts panic

    TalHawkins112

  • Recently, while driving, I have been writing a novel on my phone titled "Driving". It's sci-fi thriller and social study encompassed into one. Will this be limited by the new text law?

    JBell

  • bamazsmith said...

    I have a problem with this notion that a state government is somehow usurping it's power when it passes a law designed, on it's face, to protect the health, safety, or welfare of it's citizens.

    That power (known as the "police power") is inherent in any state government and is granted, by clear implication, by the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution. This is pretty well established and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a remedial civics lesson.

    Not a single person in this thread has argued that the state government doesn't have legitimate police powers. The question is what is a legitimate use of those police powers. Use of those police powers are legitimate when they protect the rights of the poeple, and are illegitimate when then are used, as in this instance, to extort money from people who have committed no crime.

    bama58

  • The whole point is that this new law/ban will stop nobody. I text and drive occasionally and will continue to do so. The chances that you just happen to be texting and driving with a cop beside you have to be slim. Hell in over 10 years of driving, I go over the speed limit everyday and also hardly ever wear a seatbelt and I've only gotten 2 tickets. Did it stop me? Nope

    This is a money making tactic. It is not about actually giving a crap about the citizens of Alabama.

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    greygoose2098

  • bama58 said...

    Not a single person in this thread has argued that the state government doesn't have legitimate police powers. The question is what is a legitimate use of those police powers. Use of those police powers are legitimate when they protect the rights of the poeple, and are illegitimate when then are used, as in this instance, to extort money from people who have committed no crime.

    But they have committed a crime. It is a crime to text and drive, thus, when someone texts and drives, he or she will be given a ticket. The ticket will be for committing a crime.

    And as far as protecting rights, this law is protecting my right to not be killed by an idiot who is texting while driving. It is also protecting my right to not be hit by some dumb b*tch in Midtown Village who isn't paying attention when I am backing out of a parking space because she is texting while driving.

    Comprende? Awesome. Let's move on.

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  • It should be banned!. Mobile telephones in general, and texting specifically, is the absolute worst thing that has to the safety of driving, since they first put wheels on to make wagons and buggies. Period, end of facts.

    gwilsonjr

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  • Crimson71 said...

    as it should be. too many people getting killed and injured. I think ANY phone use other than "hands free" should be banned while driving.

    Over three times as many people are killed annually by "legal" pharmaceutical perscription drugs (used as prescribed) as are killed in traffic accidents. Moreover, the number of people killed by the pharmaceutical drugs is increasing every year while the number of traffic fatalities have been steadily dropping. So if we extend the rationale proposed by some in this thread to pharmaceutical drugs, we should be clamoring for our government to pass a law making those illegal as well . . . right???

    The bottom line is this: how many lives will be saved by this law??? The answer is probably zero. That is so because it is very unlikely to have an effect on the behavior of drivers.

    How much power and wealth will be transferred from the honest hard-working citizens of this state to a greedy and criminal state government??? Lots, which is what this law is all about, and in that vein I have no doubt this law will be a tremendous success.

    100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich

    http://www.alternet.org/health/147318/100,000_americans_die_each_year_from_prescription_drugs,_while_pharma_companies_get_rich/

    Traffic fatalities fall to lowest levels since 1949

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/08/traffic-fatalities-fall-to-lowest-levels-since-1949/

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    100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich | Personal Health

    Prescription drugs taken as directed kill 100,000 Americans a year. That's one person every five minutes. How did we get here?

    www.alternet.org

    Traffic fatalities fall to lowest levels since 1949

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has released the findings of its 2010 national fatality and injury rate study. Last year, traffic

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    bama58

  • You also don't have a right to drive a vehicle. It's a privilege not a right. If your scared of people texting and driving, then take the bus.

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  • greygoose2098 said...

    You also don't have a right to drive a vehicle. It's a privilege not a right. If your scared of people texting and driving, then take the bus.

    I agreed with your first two sentences, but you lost me on the last. Since driving a vehicle is a privilege rather than a right, those who refuse to drive one responsibly should either be fined or lose that privilege. Texting while driving is, simply put, irresponsible.

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  • bcal16 said...

    But they have committed a crime. It is a crime to text and drive, thus, when someone texts and drives, he or she will be given a ticket. The ticket will be for committing a crime.

    And as far as protecting rights, this law is protecting my right to not be killed by an idiot who is texting while driving. It is also protecting my right to not be hit by some dumb b*tch in Midtown Village who isn't paying attention when I am backing out of a parking space because she is texting while driving.

    Comprende? Awesome. Let's move on.

    You need to conduct a bit of research on the history of crime and punishment. If there is no victim there is no crime, thus texting (or any other activity for that matter) is not a crime unless it infriges on the rights of another.

    With respect to this law, are you willing to testify under oath in every "texting" case brought before a court in this state that you were the victim of a crime??? If your answer is no, then no crime has been committed against you.

    bama58

  • So let me get this straight. There is a sizable portion of people here that think the government should divest itself of the power to regulate dangerous behavior?

    bamazsmith

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  • bamazsmith said...

    So let me get this straight. There is a sizable portion of people here that think the government should divest itself of the power to regulate dangerous behavior?

    They can't divest themselves of a power they've never had.

    bama58

  • bama58 said...

    You need to conduct a bit of research on the history of crime and punishment. If there is no victim there is no crime, thus texting (or any other activity for that matter) is not a crime unless it infriges on the rights of another.

    With respect to this law, are you willing to testify under oath in every "texting" case brought before a court in this state that you were the victim of a crime??? If your answer is no, then no crime has been committed against you.

    That is simply wrong. Victimless crimes include prostitution, drug use, gambling, driving underage, consuming alcohol underage, assisted suicide, censorship, and the list goes on and on.

    And as far as someone who needs to do research, perhaps you should do research on what is considered crime in a constitutional state. In a constitutional state, the legislatures elected by the sovereign define what is a crime. A crime is NOT the same as a tort. A tort requires a victim, a crime does not.

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  • bama58 said...

    You need to conduct a bit of research on the history of crime and punishment. If there is no victim there is no crime, thus texting (or any other activity for that matter) is not a crime unless it infriges on the rights of another.

    With respect to this law, are you willing to testify under oath in every "texting" case brought before a court in this state that you were the victim of a crime??? If your answer is no, then no crime has been committed against you.

    Simply put, you don't know what you are talking about concerning crime

    bamazsmith

  • bama58 said...

    They can't divest themselves of a power they've never had.

    10th Amendment

    bamazsmith

  • bama58 said...

    Over three times as many people are killed annually by "legal" pharmaceutical perscription drugs (used as prescribed) as are killed in traffic accidents. Moreover, the number of people killed by the pharmaceutical drugs is increasing every year while the number of traffic fatalities have been steadily dropping. So if we extend the rationale proposed by some in this thread to pharmaceutical drugs, we should be clamoring for our government to pass a law making those illegal as well . . . right???

    The bottom line is this: how many lives will be saved by this law??? The answer is probably zero. That is so because it is very unlikely to have an effect on the behavior of drivers.

    How much power and wealth will be transferred from the honest hard-working citizens of this state to a greedy and criminal state government??? Lots, which is what this law is all about, and in that vein I have no doubt this law will be a tremendous success.

    100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich

    http://www.alternet.org/health/147318/100,000_americans_die_each_year_from_prescription_drugs,_while_pharma_companies_get_rich/

    Traffic fatalities fall to lowest levels since 1949

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/08/traffic-fatalities-fall-to-lowest-levels-since-1949/

    Would be interested to see how they attributed the death to the drug.

    GSay001

  • bamazsmith said...

    10th Amendment

    The duty of government is to protect and defend the rights of its people, NOT to keep them safe!!!

    Moreover, if the government truely had a genuine concern for the safety of its citizens (which it does not), it would ban most if not all pharmaceutical drugs and fast food restaurants. Why doesn't benevolent government do that??? Simple. There's no profit in it for them. If fact, quite the opposite. It is a money loser for government and the politicians.

    This law is yet another shameless power grab by the government. It makes the government more powerful and the citizens of this state weaker, and that is a tragedy.

    bama58

  • bama58 said...

    The duty of government is to protect and defend the rights of its people, NOT to keep them safe!!!

    Moreover, if the government truely had a genuine concern for the safety of its citizens (which it does not), it would ban most if not all pharmaceutical drugs and fast food restaurants. Why doesn't benevolent government do that??? Simple. There's no profit in it for them. If fact, quite the opposite. It is a money loser for government and the politicians.

    This law is yet another shameless power grab by the government. It makes the government more powerful and the citizens of this state weaker, and that is a tragedy.

    McDonalds kills more people than texting while driving. Don't see a ban on double cheeseburgers do you?

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  • bama58 said...

    The duty of government is to protect and defend the rights of its people, NOT to keep them safe!!!

    Moreover, if the government truely had a genuine concern for the safety of its citizens (which it does not), it would ban most if not all pharmaceutical drugs and fast food restaurants. Why doesn't benevolent government do that??? Simple. There's no profit in it for them. If fact, quite the opposite. It is a money loser for government and the politicians.

    This law is yet another shameless power grab by the government. It makes the government more powerful and the citizens of this state weaker, and that is a tragedy.

    Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. State governments have and have always had (since their original inception as colonies) the power to create laws that are reasonably designed to protect the health, safety, welfare, and morals of its citizens. This power, through the 10th amendment was retained by the founders and only limited to the extent enumerated by the constitution (and state constitutions).

    To deny the states this power is extraordinarily radical and cuts against thousands of years of western thought concerning how society binds itself together.

    bamazsmith

  • bcal16 said...

    That is simply wrong. Victimless crimes include prostitution, drug use, gambling, driving underage, consuming alcohol underage, assisted suicide, censorship, and the list goes on and on.

    And as far as someone who needs to do research, perhaps you should do research on what is considered crime in a constitutional state. In a constitutional state, the legislatures elected by the sovereign define what is a crime. A crime is NOT the same as a tort. A tort requires a victim, a crime does not.

    In a free constitutional republic none of the things you listed are crimes (unless those actions produce a bonafide victim).

    The victimless crimes legal regime is largely a contemporary one, and was brought about when the state got the bright idea of inserting themselves as the victim of all crimes (an utterly preposterous notion). So now instead of a case being styled as Hatfield vs. McCoy, it is now styled as the state vs. McCoy. But even if you were to accept this legal folly as legitimate (which it is not), it would still be incumbant upon the state in every case to prove how they were victimized by the actions of the defendant - an impossible legal hurdle in virtually all criminal prosecutions. For this reason the courts have simply relieved prosecutors of this sine qua non.

    Perhaps this article will further your understanding.

    This post was edited by bama58 on 4/27/2012 at 11:51 AM

    Every Crime Needs a Victim by Laurence M. Vance

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance204.html

    www.lewrockwell.com

    bama58