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TalHawkins112 said...
I don't text while I drive anyway, but I do frequently text while stopped.
I shouldn't get a ticket for texting while stopped at a light or at a train stop.
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bamazsmith said...
I have a problem with this notion that a state government is somehow usurping it's power when it passes a law designed, on it's face, to protect the health, safety, or welfare of it's citizens.
That power (known as the "police power") is inherent in any state government and is granted, by clear implication, by the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution. This is pretty well established and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a remedial civics lesson.
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Not a single person in this thread has argued that the state government doesn't have legitimate police powers. The question is what is a legitimate use of those police powers. Use of those police powers are legitimate when they protect the rights of the poeple, and are illegitimate when then are used, as in this instance, to extort money from people who have committed no crime.
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But they have committed a crime. It is a crime to text and drive, thus, when someone texts and drives, he or she will be given a ticket. The ticket will be for committing a crime.
And as far as protecting rights, this law is protecting my right to not be killed by an idiot who is texting while driving. It is also protecting my right to not be hit by some dumb b*tch in Midtown Village who isn't paying attention when I am backing out of a parking space because she is texting while driving.
Comprende? Awesome. Let's move on.
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You need to conduct a bit of research on the history of crime and punishment. If there is no victim there is no crime, thus texting (or any other activity for that matter) is not a crime unless it infriges on the rights of another.
With respect to this law, are you willing to testify under oath in every "texting" case brought before a court in this state that you were the victim of a crime??? If your answer is no, then no crime has been committed against you.
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You need to conduct a bit of research on the history of crime and punishment. If there is no victim there is no crime, thus texting (or any other activity for that matter) is not a crime unless it infriges on the rights of another.
With respect to this law, are you willing to testify under oath in every "texting" case brought before a court in this state that you were the victim of a crime??? If your answer is no, then no crime has been committed against you.
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Over three times as many people are killed annually by "legal" pharmaceutical perscription drugs (used as prescribed) as are killed in traffic accidents. Moreover, the number of people killed by the pharmaceutical drugs is increasing every year while the number of traffic fatalities have been steadily dropping. So if we extend the rationale proposed by some in this thread to pharmaceutical drugs, we should be clamoring for our government to pass a law making those illegal as well . . . right???
The bottom line is this: how many lives will be saved by this law??? The answer is probably zero. That is so because it is very unlikely to have an effect on the behavior of drivers.
How much power and wealth will be transferred from the honest hard-working citizens of this state to a greedy and criminal state government??? Lots, which is what this law is all about, and in that vein I have no doubt this law will be a tremendous success.
100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich
http://www.alternet.org/health/147318/100,000_americans_die_each_year_from_prescription_drugs,_while_pharma_companies_get_rich/
Traffic fatalities fall to lowest levels since 1949
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/08/traffic-fatalities-fall-to-lowest-levels-since-1949/
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The duty of government is to protect and defend the rights of its people, NOT to keep them safe!!!
Moreover, if the government truely had a genuine concern for the safety of its citizens (which it does not), it would ban most if not all pharmaceutical drugs and fast food restaurants. Why doesn't benevolent government do that??? Simple. There's no profit in it for them. If fact, quite the opposite. It is a money loser for government and the politicians.
This law is yet another shameless power grab by the government. It makes the government more powerful and the citizens of this state weaker, and that is a tragedy.
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The duty of government is to protect and defend the rights of its people, NOT to keep them safe!!!
Moreover, if the government truely had a genuine concern for the safety of its citizens (which it does not), it would ban most if not all pharmaceutical drugs and fast food restaurants. Why doesn't benevolent government do that??? Simple. There's no profit in it for them. If fact, quite the opposite. It is a money loser for government and the politicians.
This law is yet another shameless power grab by the government. It makes the government more powerful and the citizens of this state weaker, and that is a tragedy.
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bcal16 said...
That is simply wrong. Victimless crimes include prostitution, drug use, gambling, driving underage, consuming alcohol underage, assisted suicide, censorship, and the list goes on and on.
And as far as someone who needs to do research, perhaps you should do research on what is considered crime in a constitutional state. In a constitutional state, the legislatures elected by the sovereign define what is a crime. A crime is NOT the same as a tort. A tort requires a victim, a crime does not.
This post was edited by bama58 on 4/27/2012 at 11:51 AM
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The Alabama Legislature has voted to ban texting while driving