BOL Round Table

Gottfried's team wasnt stacked at NCSU. It had less talent than bama had. 1 5 star and 3 4 star players. They didn't win over 6 ACC games in 5 straight years there, and now they have gone over it twice in two years. Funny you accuse someone of "Fawning" over a coach that has actually achieved something at least.

What has Grant achieved? He has in 8 years of coaching only achieved TWO VICTORIES OVER A TEAM THAT FINISHED IN THE TOP 25. Please let that sink in for a minute. 8 years of coaching, two big wins. That is Grant's record ladies and gents. No arguing about defensive or offensive stats. No pandering to the committee's etc, no talk about championships. He has beat two good teams in 229 games as a HC. Those teams are Baylor his first year at Bama and UK his 2nd year at Bama.

They were such an amazing team that they had less 4 stars than Bama, and a losing record the year before. Funny. If you attached Grant's name to this teams resume everyone on here would be yelling and screaming about what an AMAZING coach he was and how he turned around a loser. But you attach a name of someone you hate, and they won because of those amazing players left over from 5 years of bad teams at NCSU. This is why these arguments fail.

Did you watch NC State last season? They had a talented and experienced roster. I'm not sure how you can argue otherwise.

Where are you finding the top 25 games stats? I am not doubting you I just would like to see it for myself and see what year the games were, were we played and who we played. That kinda makes a difference.

I'll add to that, just because somebody didn't finish in the "it doesn't matter" top 25 doesn't mean they aren't a good team. Are there only 25 good teams in the country every year?

I don't know why they did away with the individuals seats under the baskets. I think those risers looks cheap and silly. (This is a random rant - I just don't understand why they can't move the students to that area but also have permanent seating. Agree the students, and only the students, need to be down there. More aesthetic than anything.)

As far as the general grandstands, agree about the layout. It's always been an odd set-up because it was built as a multi-purpose facility. Wish we'd build a basketball only arena with around 13-15,000 seats. A new place would vastly improve sightlines, lighting, etc. But never going to happen because of the cash we sunk into Coleman.

I've sat in seats in Coleman in the corners before where I wasn't even facing the floor. You literally have to turn at a 45 degree angle to look at the floor.

He has a career winning percentage of .678 which would put him right at #100 in the history of college basketball according to sports-reference.com.

Mark Gottfried's career winning percentage is .648.

Total resume wise yes Gottfried would win. Of course he should he has been a head coach for 16 years. Grant has 7 years.

Now I know you are going to bring up, but Gottfried coached in the SEC when it was better. Maybe it was, but Gottfried had a hell of a lot better teams than Grant has had so far too and he underachieved big time with some of them. From a projections, by the media, standpoint this year Grant has done more than was expected and Gottfried has done less.

Your opinion may be that Grant is a bad coach and I'm not here to change your opinion. I don't care, but half of what you are posting is slanted to whatever view you want it to slant to and when you are called out on it you change it to the next thing that might make you sound right. Just like earlier when I brought up the pointless top 25 wins, you quickly change it to top 50 wins. Try posting something positive sometime. I'll be honest, I haven't ever seen it from you.

NC states roster when Gottfried took over. Returned one player who averaged double figures from the previous year. Lost starting PG to UK when he transferred. Had to convert teams sophomore Lorenzo brown from SG to PG, which would be like us having to play Lacey at the PG position all year. Also Lacey was a 5 star unlike Brown. Also Brown had never played point at anytime in college or HS ball. They had one senior on roster, who averaged 5 points the previous year. Soph Leslie was a headcase and averaging the same as Green when Grant took over. Saying Gottfried and staff won because its a stacked roster is a joke. They won because they built the team slowly and they peaked at the end of the season. Once again if you attach Grants name to that team we would be talking about an amazing job.

Dude, NC State made a good run last year. They were projected to win the ACC and were a top 25 team this year. Look where they are. Nobody would be saying that is an amazing job no matter who is coaching them.

Not that I'm disagreeing with your overall point, but that Memphis game was the second game of the season (11/17/05) on a Thursday night a week before Thanksgiving, smack dab in the middle of football season. No way that was going to be anywhere close to a sellout. Hell, it was probably raining that night. I vaguely remember considering going to it, but it seems like I remember opting for whatever Thursday night football game was on.